Posted by: Robert - 12-01-2021, 12:48 PM - Forum: Israel
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The terms: “Claiming-back” / “Giving-back” / “Returning” / land, regarding the unverifiable-claims made by the “Palestinian” Arabs, cannot make any logical sense in regard to the land of Israel, since there has been:
> No such implied Jewish / Israeli “theft” of any land.
> Never been any indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel.
> Modern Israel is Re-established within the Jewish ancestral homeland.
> The Jews have unbroken presence in their land and previous indigenous sovereign states there, since Biblical times.
> The Arabs (aka “Palestinian Arabs”) arrived after the Jews (below).
False-allegations of “stolen” land constitute “Palestinian” Arab reverse-fact propaganda: The Jews were in the land long before the “Palestinian” Arab “settler-colonists”, a Jewish unbroken presence since Biblical times (below).
The allegation of an Israeli illegal-occupation of: “Palestine” / “Palestinian Land”, is “Palestinian” Arab propaganda based in denying Jewish roots in the Jews ancestral homeland of Israel, falsely-validated by the “United Nations” and “European Union”. Both the U.N and E.U. falsely-treat the Jewish people as “invaders”, and so also as “thieves” and “illegal-occupiers” of the Jews OWN ancestral-homeland (land of the prior Jewish kingdoms of Judah / Israel), and therefore consequently of building “illegal-settlements” there, with Palestinian terrorism considered “resistance to occupation”.
The U.N. and its structures have for many years had a built-in pro “Palestinian” Arab bias. The “Palestinian” Arabs start-off in U.N. votes by enjoying a block-vote in their favour of up to 56 Arab and additional Islamic-aligned countries (e.g. U.N. member states that are also members of the “Organization of Islamic Cooperation” and follow its policies when voting in the U.N.), and influence of Arab oil money with consequential trading power; compared to Israel being just one country.
There has never been an indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel upon which the “Palestinian” Arabs could base any claim to any part of the land of Israel.
All the areas of land in question are land of the prior Jewish indigenous sovereign states. All attempts to impose the name “Palestine” (the Roman-imposed rename) on Israel, post-date the Jewish Kingdoms of Judah / Israel.
“Palestine” is the Roman-imposed rename of Israel / Judah, used by the Romans for attempting to negate Israel as the name for the land, and today used likewise by the “Palestinian” Arabs and their primarily anti-Semitic supporters. The only valid name for the land belongs to the Jewish indigenous sovereign states before the Re-establishment of Israel in 1948: “Israel” or “Judah”. The name “Palestine” was imposed on the land of Israel / Judah by the Romans, and then resurrected for the British Mandate - Both Roman and British powers being foreign imperial rule.
The “Palestinian” Arabs falsely-allege Israeli Jews all came from Europe; some Jews being returnee-exiles. Yet the Jewish people are indigenous to their ancestral homeland of Israel, with unbroken presence from Biblical times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi...e_(region)
Israel is Re-established within the Jewish ancestral homeland. Internationally-recognized history shows that the last indigenous sovereign state in the land of Israel (Roman-imposed name “Palestine”), prior to the RE-establishment of Israel in 1948, was the post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom. It included (what is now erroneously referred to as) the “West Bank”, and also Gaza, and the Golan Heights. Capital (what is now East) Jerusalem / “Old City”; between 110 BCE / 754 BH and 63 BCE / 706 BH - Map: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...ingdom.jpg
“West Bank”:
Israel cannot logically nor in law, illegally -“occupy” the “West Bank" nor Gaza, since they are land of previous indigenous Jewish kingdoms, were retrieved from Egyptian / Jordanian illegal-occupation, and the entity making that false-claim “Palestine” - has never existed as a sovereign state.
What is now known as the “West Bank” (of the Jordan river) was within two prior contemporaneous Jewish indigenous sovereign states, of: Israel-Samaria (northern Kingdom), and Judah (aka Judea) (southern Kingdom).
Part of it was within the one kingdom, while the rest was within the other kingdom.
Map Jewish Kingdom of Judah, including the rest of the “West Bank”, capital of (what is now EAST) Jerusalem / “Old City”; between 930 BCE / 1599 BH and 586 BCE / 1244 BH:
(Map - see previous source - same map.)
“Gaza”:
Israel cannot logically nor in law, illegally -“occupy” Gaza, since it is land of previous indigenous Jewish kingdoms. Israel left Gaza to Palestinian Autonomy in 2005 as an attempt at “land for peace” (but instead from which has since received regular rocket attacks), under the Oslo Accords: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank_..._II_Accord
“East Jerusalem”:
Israel cannot logically nor in law, illegally-“occupy” East Jerusalem, because:
There has never been a “Palestine” indigenous sovereign state,
Jerusalem was never internationally-designated for any Arab state,
East Jerusalem (Old City) was the capital of previous Jewish Kingdoms,
was retrieved from illegal-Jordanian-occupation in 1967, from which the Jews had been expelled by the Jordanian illegal-occupiers in 1948.
“Golan Heights”:
Israel cannot logically nor in law, illegally-“occupy” the Golan Heights, since it is land of various previous Jewish indigenous sovereign states - see maps at: https://www.quora.com/Were-the-Golan-Hei...d-Monarchy
Combined-image, comparing two maps - the post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom, compared with an inserted modern map showing the location of Israel-controlled Golan Heights (area ringed in yellow): https://www.mediafire.com/file/2gd8chxth...s.pdf/file
Since the “Palestinian” Arabs arrived in the land of Israel well after its indigenous Jews, this makes the Arabs the “settler-colonists”.
The name “Palestine” is the Roman-imposed rename of Israel / Judah.
Who were the Arabs living in British “Palestine” Mandate administered Israel?
The “Palestinian Arabs” dropped the name “Arab” because they do not want you to understand they mostly originate from Foreign-Arab-Migrant-Workers who came to the land of Israel just prior to, and during the British Mandate, to take advantage of higher wages through Jewish returnee-exiles:
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Quote:“[...] most Arabs in British Mandate Palestine were migrant workers and descendants of the 1832-1947 wave of Arab/Muslim immigration from Egypt, the Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Yemen, Libya, North Africa, Bosnia, India, Afghanistan, etc. While the British Mandate encouraged Arab immigration, it blocked Jewish immigration.”
Quote:“Which towns, villages, and cities [of the British Mandate] offered the higher economic opportunity? Analyzing the 1922 and 1931 demographic data by sub-district and separating those sub-districts of Palestine that eventually became 1948 Israel—that is, sub-districts that had relatively large Jewish populations (with accompanying Jewish capital and modern technology)—from those that were not designated as part of 1948 Israel, identified not only the direction of Arab Palestinian migration within Palestine but its magnitude as well. [32]
[...] That over 10 percent of the 1931 Arab Palestinian population in those sub-districts that eventually became Israel had immigrated to those sub-districts within the 1922-31 years is a datum of considerable significance. It is consistent with the fragmentary evidence of illegal migration to and within Palestine; it supports the idea of linkage between economic disparities and migratory impulses—a linkage universally accepted; it undercuts the thesis of "spatial stickiness" attributed by some scholars to the Arab Palestinian population of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries; and it provides strong circumstantial evidence that the illegal Arab immigration into Palestine, like that within Palestine, was of consequence as well.”
Citation - see webpage. Extract source:
The Smoking Gun: Arab Immigration into Palestine, 1922-1931
by Fred M. Gottheil
Middle East Forum - Middle East Quarterly
Winter 2003, Vol. 10, No. 1, pp. 53-64: https://www.meforum.org/522/the-smoking-...-palestine
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Quote:“Not until the Zionists had arrived in numbers did the Arab population begin to augment itself. The introduction of European standards of wage and life acted like a magnet on the entire Near East. Abruptly, Palestine became an Arab center of attraction. By 1922, after a quarter century of Jewish colonization [Jewish returnee-exiles], their [Arab] numbers mushroomed to 488,000.”
84 of 100 highest incidence Palestinian surnames (Palestine region in 2004), had highest incidence outside that region: See my “Country Origin of Palestinian Arab Surnames upd.pdf” - Information source “forebears.io”: https://www.mediafire.com/file/9d115bv6w...d.pdf/file
The “Palestinian” Arabs considering themselves Arab were opposed to being called a “People” until the 1960’s, when they decided it fitted with their intention to steal the land of Israel from its indigenous Jews: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11401...ian-people
Conclusion:
There has never been any indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel by which the “Palestinian” Arabs could: Claim-“back” / Get-“returned”, anything.
I came across a reports that 86 Israeli POWS were killed after capture in the 1973 war ..that this information was not released to the public but only to the Knesset.... https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-86-isra...-1.5339130
why Israel hast thou remained silent when they sons and daugthers are killed by the heirs of Amalek; Haman; Hitler and the Grand Mufti?
O Israel is it too much to ask:
1} Any women in Prision service should have mininal contact with men; let it be largly in Administration so as to release able bodied men for prison service; and if they be guards put them in charge of women [ such as putting men in charge of men]
(one readon I do not beleive women in military service should not be beside men in combat but seperate roles]
Pro-“Palestinian” Arabs often refer the reader to Pro-“Palestinian” Arab Mouthpiece Propaganda “Comfort-websites”, in support of false-allegations against Israel.
Pro-“Palestinian” Arabs should be invited to obtain their information from places other than such pro-“Palestinian” Arab mouthpiece propaganda-comfort-websites.
Pro-“Palestinian” Arab “propaganda-comfort-websites” are where pro-Palestinians, “Palestinian” Arabs, anti-Semites, and Neo Nazis, typically go, for the comfort of having their anti-Semitic falsehoods against Israel and their revisionist-history, reinforced by false non-verifiable propaganda.
Here “Comfort” means reinforcing unverifiable and prejudiced-opinion or mass-produced propaganda, within a comfort-zone that avoids:
Factual-information supported by objective-sources.
“Palestinian” Arab “propaganda-comfort websites” being by their very nature, Not-objective, their content is likely to be both Unverifiable, and Untrustworthy.
Why do the anti-Semitic supporters of the “Palestinian” Arabs assert against Israel falsehood-opinion devoid of any objective-evidence, as “fact”?
Because they assume the reader will likely be anti-Semitic, and thus Willing to accept what they say while Unwilling to demand objective-verification.
How to recognize “Palestinian” Arab Falsehood-Propaganda:
False-claims / false accusations / conspiracy theories against: “Israel” / the “Jews” / “Zionists”, often as stock-phrases, insulting the reader’s intelligence by being provided with:
No detail(s), no objective-sources; zero evidence.
When are falsehoods (often alleged as “criticism”) against Jews/Israel, typically due to anti-Semitism?:
UNSUBSTANTIATED-allegations that insult the reader’s intelligence, by being typically-alleged, with:
No detail(s), no objective-sources; zero evidence.
Falsehoods against Jews/Israel, typically characterized by a failure to accept internationally-accepted history, or purporting a revisionist history of the dispute over the land of Israel.
From this we can conclude that the anti-Semitic psychological-desire for the genocide of the Jewish people now presents as the desire to destroy Israel.
Example questions (collected from the now defunct "Yahoo Answers") characterized by anti-Jewish hatred posing as anti-Israel / anti-Zionist - See image of combined screen-captures (also as attached): https://www.mediafire.com/file/c3yzp99kw...c.pdf/file
Why do pro-“Palestinian” Arab contributors typically allege unprovable-falsehood against Israel? Because they assume most people are anti-Semitic and so willing to accept the propaganda without requiring any objective-verification.
Perhaps pro-Palestinian Arabs may believe their asserted falsehoods; yet falsehood and nonsense it must remain, while provided devoid of supporting objective-evidence.
Posted by: Robert - 11-23-2021, 11:06 PM - Forum: Israel
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“Palestinian” Arab propaganda falsely-accuses Israel / the Jews of “oppression” / persecution, to try to dishonestly-invoke and misuse the Islamic rules on defense against persecution of Islam (see noble Quran: Surah 2, Al-Baqarah: vv. 190-193), and At-Taubah, 9: v. 36, following:
Quranic provision for Jihad (holy war / here defence) against persecution of Islam: - - - - Start of translation extracts from the noble Quran: - - - - Surah (chapter) 2, Al-Baqarah (The Cow), verses 190 to 193:
Quote:[...] 190. And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another (V.9:36)]. [Jihad part of v.9:36, see also below.] 191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. 192. But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.) [...]
Quote:[...] 36. [...] fight against the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) collectively , as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allah is with those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious – see V.2:2). [...]
The above Quranic extracts provide for defence against persecution of Islam, but Israel / the Jews have NOT persecuted Islam; and consequently there is also no such evidence.
This is not a religious dispute, but rather is due to the territorial-ambitions based on unverifiable claims, of those Arabs who now call themselves “Palestinians”, over the land of Israel. There has never been an indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state on which the “Palestinian” Arabs could claim theft, or make any claim on any part of the land of Israel.
The Jewish people / Israel, are NO enemy to Islam. The “Palestinian” Arabs falsely-allege that they are, and that they are “oppressors”; but they make such false-allegations because they seek to dishonestly use Jihad in the Quran for their own territorial ambitions.
The Arab/Israel dispute over the land of Israel is not a religious dispute; Israel respects all religions. The dispute is due to the territorial-ambitions of those Arabs who now call themselves “Palestinians”, based on unverifiable-claims.
“Palestinian” Arab propaganda false-complaints of:
“oppression” / “persecution” / “discrimination” / “(mis) treatment” / “racism” / “being treated as 2nd class”: Is Palestinian frustration at Israeli security measures obstructing the on-going Palestinian war of ethnic-hatred against Israeli Jews.
While Israeli security measures are due to the “Palestinian” Arab anti-Jewish war of ethnic-hatred (see below) carried out for Palestinian territorial-ambition, “Palestinian” Arab propaganda falsely-accuses Israel / the Jews of “oppression” so as to create a hoax of “Persecution to try to dishonestly-invoke and misuse the Islamic rules on defence against persecution of Islam, and deceive other Muslims into supporting them.
The “Palestinian” Arabs cynically whitewash their anti-Jewish hate-war as:
“uprising”, “defence”, “desperation”, “struggle”, “resistance”.
If a “Palestinian” Arab terrorist murders an Israeli Jew and the terrorist is imprisoned by Israel, the “Palestinian Authority” aka “Fatah” and the “Palestinian Liberation Organisation” (the P.A. funded by the “European Union” and the U.S.A.), pay a reward-“pension” to the family of the attacker:
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Quote:“The Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund is a fund operated by the Palestinian Authority (PA) which pays monthly cash stipends to the families of Palestinians killed, injured, or imprisoned while carrying out politically motivated violence against Israel. [...]”
Examples from the “Palestinian” Arab on-going anti-Jewish hate-war, where their propaganda typically refers to any consequential security measures as “Israeli-oppression”:
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Quote:“23 August 2019 ... Israeli girl ... Rina Shnerb [age 17 was killed; she] had been hiking with her brother Dvir and her father Eitan near a natural spring outside Dolev when an improvised explosive device blew up.”
