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RE: clarification for questions - Mvpenn8 - 04-15-2025 Why would the count be inflated? And why would the idea of 6 million be pushed and be made into something non -negotiable, sometimes even questioning it can cause legal action. Around 75m military and civilian deaths but they are not talked about as much as the jews who died. And to be honest i look at all the evidence and feel as if the jewish population at the time was infact not murdered, but instead died of various diseases, Anne frank as a example. The entire event that happend seems to be in part fabricated and made into a bigger story than it truly is. Possibly to make a the jewish state of israel, but that is a whole other story. Ive talked to the jews i know and they have told me that this topic isnt offensive to jews, unless i spread uneducated hate. And from what i hear jews like to question and discuss topics. RE: clarification for questions - searchinmyroots - 04-16-2025 You've got to be kidding me. Have you not seen pictures of Jewish people in concentration camps that are skin and bones? And massive graves or holes in the ground where they were killed and thrown into. Died of disease? I'm sure many did. Anti-antisemitism was one of them. RE: clarification for questions - BlueBird2 - 04-24-2025 (04-13-2025, 11:35 AM)Mvpenn8 Wrote: You quote post-war German courts as if they were impartial. They were **not**. These were trials held under close Allied observation, in a defeated, demoralized, occupied nation—hardly the conditions for **independent judicial inquiry**. The political climate made it **impossible** to present any defense that questioned the official story. Careers, reputations, even freedom were at stake. Hello Mvpenn8, although I see that you aren't open for facts, I feel that I want to add something here. I happen to be German and there is plenty of opportunity to do research. Just 2 weeks ago I talked to a friend of mine whose best friend was taken away in the middle of the night along with her Jewish family in Dresden during the war. They never came back. The trials is Germany weren't in favor of the Jews, I can tell you. Most of the apparatus was occupied with former Nazis and our political leaders wanted to end the dark chapter once and for all. If the victors had been in charge, there would have been much fairer and harsher sentences. If you look at the results of these trials, you'll see that many didn't even go to prison. Opening a trial was difficult because no one wanted to look at the past. Many Germans had suffered, and the murder of the Jews wasn't a topic anyone wanted to look at. Until something is allowed to be an evidence to be used in court, it must be verified. These evidences have been checked by judges, prosecuting attorney and lawyers and observers. You may read them and look at them to get a a comprehensive picture of the past. The Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial Here is the story of a journalist who voluntarily wrote a book about his experiences in Ausschwitz when he was sent there as a child soldier (in German): Als Kindersoldat in Auschwitz RE: clarification for questions - Robert - 04-24-2025 Contributor "Mvpenn8" disputes the internationally accepted figure of 6 million Jews murdered in the Holocaust, as if that figure were an exact count. It is an estimate based on compelling evidence. Quote:'[...] Victims The Wannsee conference took place 20 January 1942: Quote:'[...] Approximately 11 million Jews will be involved in the final solution of the European Jewish question, distributed as follows among the individual countries: [...] Alleging that the evidence given by Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials was under duress, devoid of any evidence to prove that, is not acceptable. “Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Volume 11” of 15 April 1946: EXTRACTS FROM the evidence of Rudolf Hoess: Quote:COL. AMEN: Quote:'At another, later gassing--also in autumn 1941--Grabner* ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one medical orderly had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children. As the Zyklon B--as already mentioned--was in granular form, it trickled down over the people as it was being poured in. They then started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful sight. Germans Forced To View Nazi atrocities at Buchenwald Concentration Camp, Ettersberg, Germany, April 16, 1945: The following film is of 2 minutes, 46 seconds duration. Click its Start button located in the center of its screen; and I would also suggest you click its full-screen button. (The German civilians are seen starting at one minute, seven seconds into the video). (Distressing scenes - Viewer discretion advised!): http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675055292_Buchenwald-Concentration-Camp_German-civilians-walk_lines-of-dead-bodies_people-cry I believe it is important to also mention the Soviet casualties: A study by the Russian Academy of Sciences estimates total Soviet population losses due the Second World War at 26.6 million: https://web.archive.org/web/20210426032516/http://gutenberg.us/articles/world_war_ii_casualties_of_the_soviet_union |