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RE: A message - JudaicChristian - 06-28-2025 (06-27-2025, 07:58 PM)searchinmyroots Wrote:(06-27-2025, 01:01 PM)JudaicChristian Wrote: Repentance: Yahshua came to fulfill the prophecies written about him and to bring about the New Covenant. Repentance is still required, along with Baptism. Jeremiah 31:31 “The days are coming,” declares (the Lord / Yahwah,) “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel [nation] and with the people of [Judah / faithful.] Israel is the world of those who have congregated to form the nation, and they are Judah, the Faithful. Hosea 11:12 Ephraim compasseth me about with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit: but Judah yet ruleth with God, and is faithful with the saints. RE: A message - Yahya Sharif - 06-28-2025 (06-28-2025, 12:28 AM)JudaicChristian Wrote: Yahshua came to fulfill the prophecies written about him and to bring about the New Covenant. Repentance is still required, along with Baptism.“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time... I will remember their sins and lawless acts no more. And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.” Hebrews 10:16–18 If sins are already forgiven through Christ’s sacrifice, then what is the purpose or necessity of repentance? (06-28-2025, 12:28 AM)JudaicChristian Wrote: “The days are coming,” declares (the Lord / Yahwah,) “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel [nation] and with the people of [Judah / faithful.] Jeremiah 31 NIV 31 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them, ” declares the LORD. 33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the LORD. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34 No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the LORD. “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.” Jeremiah 31 JPS 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah * ; 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; forasmuch as they broke My covenant, although I was a lord over them, saith the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people **; 34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: ‘Know the LORD’; for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more. *The covenant referenced in Jeremiah 31 is explicitly made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah—it remains a covenant with the Jewish people, not a universal one extended to the entire world. ** When G-d declares, "I will make a new covenant," there is no mention of sacrifice, baptism, Jesus, or even a Messiah. The language appears metaphorical rather than literal, suggesting a renewal or deepening of the original covenant rather than the establishment of an entirely new religious framework. Question: What leads to the conclusion that these verses are referring to the doctrines of Jesus? The passage does not reference Jesus, baptism, sacrifice, or a Messiah. Is the identification based solely on the phrase “a new covenant”? RE: A message - JudaicChristian - 06-28-2025 (06-28-2025, 04:12 AM)Yahya Sharif Wrote:Everything about us is recorded. The covenant of circumcision whereby all nation can enter has been revoked. Repentance and Baptism are part of the New Covenant now.(06-28-2025, 12:28 AM)JudaicChristian Wrote: Yahshua came to fulfill the prophecies written about him and to bring about the New Covenant. Repentance is still required, along with Baptism.“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time... I will remember their sins and lawless acts no more. And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.” 1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, (the Spirit / Yahwah,) and (the water / Baptism,) and (the blood / Christ sacrifice ![]() RE: A message - Yahya Sharif - 06-29-2025 (06-28-2025, 04:59 PM)JudaicChristian Wrote:What you are asserting is not supported by the Tanakh "Old Testament"; it lacks any textual or theological basis.(06-28-2025, 04:12 AM)Yahya Sharif Wrote:Everything about us is recorded. The covenant of circumcision whereby all nation can enter has been revoked. Repentance and Baptism are part of the New Covenant now.(06-28-2025, 12:28 AM)JudaicChristian Wrote: Yahshua came to fulfill the prophecies written about him and to bring about the New Covenant. Repentance is still required, along with Baptism.“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time... I will remember their sins and lawless acts no more. And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.” RE: A message - JudaicChristian - 06-29-2025 (06-29-2025, 06:30 AM)Yahya Sharif Wrote:(06-28-2025, 04:59 PM)JudaicChristian Wrote:What you are asserting is not supported by the Tanakh "Old Testament"; it lacks any textual or theological basis.(06-28-2025, 04:12 AM)Yahya Sharif Wrote:Everything about us is recorded. The covenant of circumcision whereby all nation can enter has been revoked. Repentance and Baptism are part of the New Covenant now.(06-28-2025, 12:28 AM)JudaicChristian Wrote: Yahshua came to fulfill the prophecies written about him and to bring about the New Covenant. Repentance is still required, along with Baptism.“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time... I will remember their sins and lawless acts no more. And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.” Zechariah 11 10 Then I took my staff called Favor and broke it, revoking the covenant I had made with all the nations. 11 It was revoked on that day, and so the oppressed of the flock who were watching me knew it was (The Word) of (the Lord / Yahwah.) Circumcision was the covenant whereby all nations could enter. (The Word) is Yahshua; AKA Peniel, the messenger who could forgive sins. RE: A message - searchinmyroots - 06-29-2025 JudaicChristian does not answer or address our questions, just keeps on posting more verses and Christian theology. RE: A message - Yahya Sharif - 06-29-2025 In Isaiah 53:3, the phrase "acquainted with disease" includes the Hebrew word חֳלִי (choli), which refers to physical sickness or illness. This meaning presents a theological difficulty for commentators who interpret this chapter as referring to a healer figure such as Jesus, which may explain why the King James Version rendered it as "acquainted with grief." My question is: Could the Hebrew word possibly refer to mental illness? The verse describes the figure as "despised and forsaken of men," which could result in emotional suffering, such as depression or social isolation. Since the term mental illness did not exist in ancient Jewish culture—or in any culture at that time—Could this be G-d’s way of acknowledging such suffering in a form understandable at that time? Or perhaps that is just the truth, a mental illness is simply part of the broader category of disease—i.e., an internal imbalance, such as dysregulation of brain chemistry? "He was despised, and forsaken of men, a man of pains, and acquainted with disease." —Isaiah 53:3, JPS Tanakh 1917 RE: A message - Yahya Sharif - 06-29-2025 And because of their transgressions—through contempt, forsakenness, and injustice—his heart was wounded, and he was crushed by a burden of mental anguish. RE: A message - JudaicChristian - 06-29-2025 (06-29-2025, 11:46 AM)searchinmyroots Wrote: JudaicChristian does not answer or address our questions, just keeps on posting more verses and Christian theology. The Old Testament is full of Christian theology. Anyway, I'm done. Good bye. RE: A message - Yahya Sharif - 06-29-2025 It is worth mentioning that some Rabbis interpreted Isaiah 53 as referring to a righteous individual or a Messianic figure; however, the text is far from identifying Jesus as that individual. |