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The Quran says that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews - JudaicChristian - 02-05-2025
The Quran says that the land of Israel belongs to the Judaic peoples.
When the Quran speaks of Israel's inheritance, it simply refers to the land which God gave them.
Quran 5:21. “O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned for you, and do not turn back, lest you return as losers.”
Quran 5:21. O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you.
Traditional commentators of the Quran, from the eighth and ninth century onward, have uniformly interpreted the Quran to say explicitly, that Israel has been given by God to the Jewish people as a perpetual covenant. There is no Islamic counterclaim to the Land of Israel.
RE: The Quran says that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews - Yahya Sharif - 03-30-2025
The Qur'an conveys the idea that the Jews were once the chosen people, having received G-d's grace. However, they are depicted as having broken the covenant, altered the Torah, and consequently faced divine condemnation. Therefore, from the perspective of a typical Muslim, following the revelation of Islam, the land of Israel is no longer considered the rightful possession of the Jews.
A more challenging question that arises within the context of Islamic perspectives on the Jewish people is: If the Jews lost the right to possess the land of Israel, where are the Jews expected to go?
RE: The Quran says that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews - JudaicChristian - 03-30-2025
(03-30-2025, 11:46 AM)Yahya Sharif Wrote: The Qur'an conveys the idea that the Jews were once the chosen people, having received G-d's grace. However, they are depicted as having broken the covenant, altered the Torah, and consequently faced divine condemnation. Therefore, from the perspective of a typical Muslim, following the revelation of Islam, the land of Israel is no longer considered the rightful possession of the Jews.
A more challenging question that arises within the context of Islamic perspectives on the Jewish people is: If the Jews lost the right to possess the land of Israel, where are the Jews expected to go?
Do you have any kind of documentation to back that up?
RE: The Quran says that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews - Yahya Sharif - 03-31-2025
(03-30-2025, 05:29 PM)JudaicChristian Wrote:Muhammad did not place particular emphasis on Jerusalem, and the return of the people is a relatively modern development. To my knowledge, there is no officially recognized source affirming a direct religious obligation in this regard. However, it is evident that the prevailing view among most religious scholars and devout Muslims supports this perspective.(03-30-2025, 11:46 AM)Yahya Sharif Wrote: The Qur'an conveys the idea that the Jews were once the chosen people, having received G-d's grace. However, they are depicted as having broken the covenant, altered the Torah, and consequently faced divine condemnation. Therefore, from the perspective of a typical Muslim, following the revelation of Islam, the land of Israel is no longer considered the rightful possession of the Jews.
A more challenging question that arises within the context of Islamic perspectives on the Jewish people is: If the Jews lost the right to possess the land of Israel, where are the Jews expected to go?
Do you have any kind of documentation to back that up?
RE: The Quran says that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews - Robert - 03-31-2025
(03-30-2025, 11:46 AM)Yahya Sharif Wrote: The Qur'an conveys the idea that the Jews were once the chosen people, having received G-d's grace. However, they are depicted as having broken the covenant, altered the Torah, and consequently faced divine condemnation. Therefore, from the perspective of a typical Muslim, following the revelation of Islam, the land of Israel is no longer considered the rightful possession of the Jews. [...]
"[...] depicted as having broken the covenant [...]":
This indeed follows the Jewish Scriptures, but in implying that the Covenant between God and the Jewish people ceased, this might be regarded as misleading. It is not possible to follow the Jewish Scriptures in one thing (cherry-picked) while ignoring the other, which is that in the Jewish Scriptures the Covenant is everlasting!
The Covenant between God and the Children of Israel (now the Jews) is everlasting, the sign for which is their Circumcision; transgression resulted in a partial and temporary exile. (Everlasting Covenant - Genesis 17.7.) The Covenant was not to cease (Leviticus 26:44-45). Where the noble Quran recognizes (“Al-Maaida” 5:21) that the land of Israel is given by Allah / G-d to the Children of Israel (Jews), the Quran is referring to the Jewish Scriptures (aka “Old” Testament) - IN WHICH the Covenant between Allah / G-d and the Children of Israel, IS Everlasting.
Prophesy G-d will return the Jewish exiles to their land - Deuteronomy 30:3-5.
"[...] altered the Torah [...]":
In the noble Quran the Islamic prophet is referring to those he believes, read the written Jewish Scripture but teach it inappropriately; he does NOT mean that the Scriptural text has been distorted / corrupted (Noble Quran, Surah 3 The House of Imran, v. 78).
Further, the Arabic word “tahrif” used in the noble Quran has in recent times been interpreted to mean “corrupt”, but means either: “alteration” or “misinterpretation”, and past Islamic scholars translated it to mean rather: “misinterpretation”:
http://www.judaism-islam.com/islam-teaches-torah-is-corrupted-tahrif-but-what-does-that-mean/
The Jewish Scriptures are not any "propaganda" document, but is candid about the later shortcomings of the children of Israel. A strange alleged "alteration" indeed then, that apparently allowed to remain, the candid depiction of the children of Israel.
There has been no such: “distortion” / “corruption” / “additions” / misinterpretation, of the Jewish Scriptures. Those in Islam that make such allegations provide zero detail or evidence.
The false-accusation of Jews having altered the Torah (aka "distorted" / “corrupted) devoid of any details or evidence, sources from more recent times, for supporting the false-claim that the Covenant ceased for transgression; this in order to politically support the unverifiable-claims made by the "Palestinian" Arabs over the land of Israel.
RE: The Quran says that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews - JudaicChristian - 03-31-2025
(03-31-2025, 08:22 AM)Yahya Sharif Wrote:(03-30-2025, 05:29 PM)JudaicChristian Wrote:Muhammad did not place particular emphasis on Jerusalem, and the return of the people is a relatively modern development. To my knowledge, there is no officially recognized source affirming a direct religious obligation in this regard. However, it is evident that the prevailing view among most religious scholars and devout Muslims supports this perspective.(03-30-2025, 11:46 AM)Yahya Sharif Wrote: The Qur'an conveys the idea that the Jews were once the chosen people, having received G-d's grace. However, they are depicted as having broken the covenant, altered the Torah, and consequently faced divine condemnation. Therefore, from the perspective of a typical Muslim, following the revelation of Islam, the land of Israel is no longer considered the rightful possession of the Jews.
A more challenging question that arises within the context of Islamic perspectives on the Jewish people is: If the Jews lost the right to possess the land of Israel, where are the Jews expected to go?
Do you have any kind of documentation to back that up?
Thank you for your input.
RE: The Quran says that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews - Yahya Sharif - 03-31-2025
(03-31-2025, 05:38 PM)JudaicChristian Wrote:You're Welcome.(03-31-2025, 08:22 AM)Yahya Sharif Wrote:(03-30-2025, 05:29 PM)JudaicChristian Wrote:Muhammad did not place particular emphasis on Jerusalem, and the return of the people is a relatively modern development. To my knowledge, there is no officially recognized source affirming a direct religious obligation in this regard. However, it is evident that the prevailing view among most religious scholars and devout Muslims supports this perspective.(03-30-2025, 11:46 AM)Yahya Sharif Wrote: The Qur'an conveys the idea that the Jews were once the chosen people, having received G-d's grace. However, they are depicted as having broken the covenant, altered the Torah, and consequently faced divine condemnation. Therefore, from the perspective of a typical Muslim, following the revelation of Islam, the land of Israel is no longer considered the rightful possession of the Jews.
A more challenging question that arises within the context of Islamic perspectives on the Jewish people is: If the Jews lost the right to possess the land of Israel, where are the Jews expected to go?
Do you have any kind of documentation to back that up?
Thank you for your input.
RE: The Quran says that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews - Yahya Sharif - 03-31-2025
(03-31-2025, 05:02 PM)Robert Wrote: "[...] altered the Torah [...]":
In the noble Quran the Islamic prophet is referring to those he believes, read the written Jewish Scripture but teach it inappropriately; he does NOT mean that the Scriptural text has been distorted / corrupted (Noble Quran, Surah 3 The House of Imran, v. 78).
Further, the Arabic word “tahrif” used in the noble Quran has in recent times been interpreted to mean “corrupt”, but means either: “alteration” or “misinterpretation”, and past Islamic scholars translated it to mean rather: “misinterpretation”:
http://www.judaism-islam.com/islam-teaches-torah-is-corrupted-tahrif-but-what-does-that-mean/
The Tanakh presents accounts that diverge from those in the Quran regarding God and His prophets. As a result, the majority of Muslim scholars hold the view that the current form of the Tanakh has been subject to corruption or alteration.
RE: The Quran says that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews - Robert - 03-31-2025
(03-31-2025, 06:18 PM)Yahya Sharif Wrote:(03-31-2025, 05:02 PM)Robert Wrote: "[...] altered the Torah [...]":
In the noble Quran the Islamic prophet is referring to those he believes, read the written Jewish Scripture but teach it inappropriately; he does NOT mean that the Scriptural text has been distorted / corrupted (Noble Quran, Surah 3 The House of Imran, v. 78).
Further, the Arabic word “tahrif” used in the noble Quran has in recent times been interpreted to mean “corrupt”, but means either: “alteration” or “misinterpretation”, and past Islamic scholars translated it to mean rather: “misinterpretation”:
http://www.judaism-islam.com/islam-teaches-torah-is-corrupted-tahrif-but-what-does-that-mean/
The Tanakh presents accounts that diverge from those in the Quran regarding God and His prophets. As a result, the majority of Muslim scholars hold the view that the current form of the Tanakh has been subject to corruption or alteration.
That appears to be an accurate summary of the Islamic view:
Quote:'[...] for a Muslim, the authenticity of the Torah and the Gospels depends on their correspondence to the Qur'an.'
Extract source:
Final sentence in the "Conclusion" to:
"The Qur'anic View of the Corruption of the Torah and the Gospels (in English)":
https://www.academia.edu/6709722/The_Quranic_View_of_the_Corruption_of_the_Torah_and_the_Gospels_in_English_
(As I have pointed out in my previous post) there there is another view among Islamic commentators, that the reference to "corruption" is rather an allegation of “alteration” or “misinterpretation”, rather than an allegation of textual change.
There has been no such: "textual change", or: "corruption", "alteration", "misinterpretation", of the Jewish Scriptures.
Further, in the Jewish Scriptures, the Covenant is everlasting.
Where such difference of belief occurs between the two sister religions of Islam / Judaism, those of each of the faiths while having their own beliefs, should nevertheless respect the beliefs of the other.
RE: The Quran says that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews - Yahya Sharif - 04-04-2025
(03-31-2025, 05:02 PM)Robert Wrote: That appears to be an accurate summary of the Islamic view:At its core, the Tanakh is seen as the Hebrew version of certain Qur'anic concepts, to which ancient Jewish additions were later incorporated. The Qur'anic elements within it hold no unique value for Muslims, as they are already authentically and accurately preserved in the Qur'an. The additions made by the ancient Jews, however, are considered distortions, rendering the Tanakh as a whole a corrupted text. From an Islamic perspective, it is therefore unreliable for worship or for acquiring sound knowledge—particularly regarding the nature of G-d and the lives of the prophets.
'[...] for a Muslim, the authenticity of the Torah and the Gospels depends on their correspondence to the Qur'an.'
Extract source:
Final sentence in the "Conclusion" to:
"The Qur'anic View of the Corruption of the Torah and the Gospels (in English)":
https://www.academia.edu/6709722/The_Quranic_View_of_the_Corruption_of_the_Torah_and_the_Gospels_in_English_
Some early Islamic commentators mistakenly quoted Israelite prophets from the Tanakh. This practice contradicts Islamic principles, as it involves relying on a corrupted source. If the stories attributed to these prophets were indeed essential, they would have been revealed in the Qur'an. If they were not essential, then there is no justification for incorporating them from a source deemed unreliable.Requesting knowledge about the lives of the Israelite prophets from sources outside the preserved Qur'an—particularly from unauthentic texts such as the Tanakh—should be regarded as impermissible (haram) in Islam. Such pursuit involves seeking religious knowledge from a corrupted and unreliable source, rather than relying solely on the divinely preserved and authoritative guidance of the Qur'an.