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Israel: When should the basis of an anti-Israel question be challenged, instead of answered?
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The following is an example of such a question posted to a different website:
 
“Why doesn’t the US condition aid to Israel to force it negotiate over the Israeli-Palestine Conflict?”
 
Were we to answer that politically-biased anti-Israel question “to the point”, this causes us, as designed by that question, to imply we accept all the following:
 
i) That Israel has not negotiated.
ii) That Israel is unwilling to negotiate.
iii) That no party other than Israel should take any negotiating initiative.
 
What is the question really asking?:
“Why doesn’t the US use its Security Aid to Israel as Leverage, to force Israel to give in to Palestinian demands?”
 
The question wording should therefore be challenged, rather than answered ‘to the point’:
 
 
The questioner appears to have worded their question so that their opinion biased against Israel, would be validated.
 
Can it be appropriate to seek to force Israel to negotiate, when Israel concluded an international treaty (below) with the “Palestinian” Arabs.?
 
“Arabs”:
Amended Palestinian National Charter (1968) - English, Article 5: Quote:

Quote:“The Palestinians are those Arab nationals [...]”
Extract source: 
http://ecf.org.il/media_items/677
 
The treaty to which I refer is the “Oslo Accords” -
“Oslo II Agreement” link, at:
http://www.acpr.org.il/English/documents-e.htm
 
Under the “Oslo Accords” the “Palestinian” Arabs have autonomy (not sovereignty), for areas known as the “Palestinian Territories”.
 
In breach of the “Oslo Accords”, the “Palestinian” Arabs:
Claim all the land of Israel as is clear from the Palestinian education system:
“PA education: A recipe for hate and terror”, Jul 21, 2015:
https://www.palwatch.org/page/8399
and from the “Palestinian National Charter” (source above).
 
Following the Oslo Accords the “Palestinian” Arabs have also fired numerous rockets at Israeli cities:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pa...el_in_2021
and pay a reward-pension under the “Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund” to the families of those who have been imprisoned by Israel for attacking Israeli civilians including children:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinia...rtyrs_Fund
 
Two examples from the “Palestinian” Arab on-going violence where attacks are directed against Israeli Jewish civilians including children, and where “Palestinian” Arab propaganda typically refers to any consequential security measures as “Israeli-oppression”:
 
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Quote:“23 August 2019 ... Israeli girl ... Rina Shnerb [age 17 was killed; she] had been hiking with her brother Dvir and her father Eitan near a natural spring outside Dolev when an improvised explosive device blew up.”
 
Extract source:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49447035
 
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Israeli Jewish child Hallel Yaffa Ariel murdered for her ethnicity by a Palestinian terrorist: “Israeli girl, 13, fatally stabbed in her bedroom in West Bank” [by a Palestinian terrorist, June 30, 2016], The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/j...iryat-arba
 
The question also refers to United States Security Aid to Israel, yet while ignoring that there is an ongoing “Palestinian” Arab war of ethnic hatred directed against Israeli Jews:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/com...-in-israel
 
While also ignoring that the “Palestinian” Arabs continue to be significantly funded by the “European Union” under the guise of “humanitarian aid” (see below) - Heading: “How are we helping”:
https://ec.europa.eu/echo/where/middle-e...lestine_en
 
The question also ignores United States funding of the “Palestinian” Arabs.
 
 
“guise of “humanitarian aid” ”:
 
Where “humanitarian aid” is awarded to the “Palestinian” Arabs on the basis of their “refugee” status, it should be noted that the “Palestinian” Arabs were awarded by the United Nations, a unique refugee status, automatically-gained by it passing through their generations. They obtained this unique refugee status because the “Palestinian” Arabs enjoy a block-vote in their favor in the U.N. of what is now up to 56 Arab and additional Islamic-aligned countries, who are also members of the “Organization of Islamic Cooperation” and follow its policies when voting in the U.N:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisati...ooperation
 
“Palestinian refugee camps” gain their status as “refugee camps” by the presence within them of those “Palestinian” Arabs who have automatic refugee status attained by it passing through their generations:
https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees
 
 
Aid awarded to the “Palestinian” Arabs lacks substantiation at to their alleged “humanitarian” need, particularly when compared with other groups considered to have genuine humanitarian need:
https://hum-insight.info/
 
 
A further concern about putting pressure on Israel to make yet further concessions, would be that all the areas upon which the “Palestinian” Arabs have their Oslo Accords control, are of the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people. Modern Israel is re-established within the Jewish ancestral homeland. Internationally-recognised history shows that the last indigenous sovereign state in the land of Israel (Roman-imposed name “Palestine”), prior to the RE-establishment of Israel in 1948, was the post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom of Judah. It included the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan Heights. Capital (what is now East) Jerusalem / “Old City”; between 110 BCE / 754 BH and 63 BCE / 706 BH - Map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...ingdom.jpg
 
Judaism is an ethnicity as well as a religion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F
 
The Jewish people are indigenous to their ancestral homeland of Israel, with unbroken presence there from Biblical times:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi...e_(region)
 
 
People rarely question the validity of the claims made by the “Palestinian” Arabs on the land of Israel, even though the Arabs arrived in the land well after the Jews (sources anon). The name “Palestine” was used by the Romans to attempt to negate Israel / Judah as names for the land. Today the “Palestinian” Arabs, use the name “Palestine” for the same purpose. There has never been an indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel upon which the “Palestinian” Arabs could base any claim to any part of Israel.
 
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Quote:“After crushing the [Jewish] Bar Kokhba revolt [135 CE / 779 BH–778 BH], the Roman Emperor Hadrian applied [imposed] the name Syria Palestina to the entire region, that had formerly included Judea province.”
 
Extract source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria_Palaestina
 
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Quote:“[...] After Roman times the name [“Palestine”] had no official status until after [...] the end of rule by the Ottoman Empire, when it was adopted for one of the regions mandated to Great Britain [...]
 
Extract source:
https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine
 
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The “Palestinian Arabs” dropped the name “Arab” so it should not be understood they mostly originate from foreign Arab migrant workers who came to the land of Israel just prior to, and during the British Mandate, to take advantage of higher wages through Jewish returnee-exiles.
Four sources:
 
“Arab Migration Shaped Palestinian Society” - The Ettinger Report.com:
https://theettingerreport.com/arab-migra...n-society/
 
“Arab Immigration to Historic Palestine: A Survey”, by Richard Mather:
https://richardmatherblog.wordpress.com/2015/05/
 
Were the Arabs Indigenous to Mandatory Palestine” - MeForum.org:
https://www.meforum.org/6275/were-the-ar...-palestine
 
The Smoking Gun: Arab Immigration into Palestine, 1922-1931” by Fred M. Gotthei:
https://www.meforum.org/522/the-smoking-...-palestine
 
The “Palestinian” Arabs considered themselves Arab and so were opposed to being called a “People” until the 1960’s:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11401...ian-people
 
The following is research that I extracted from data of “forebears.io”, showing the most numerous “Palestinian” Arab surnames are more prevalent outside the Palestine region:
84 of 100 of the highest incidence Palestinian surnames (Palestine region in 2004), had highest incidence outside that region: See my “Country Origin of Palestinian Arab Surnames upd.pdf” - Information source “forebears.io”:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/9d115bv6w4z4kzb/Country+Origin+of+Palestinian+Arab+Surnames+upd.pdf/file
 
 
Conclusion:
(See above for sources.)
 
The Arabs (“Palestinian” Arabs) have no objective historical evidence for their claims on any part of the land of Israel. Israel therefore did not need to make concessions, yet has done so for peace, by way of the Oslo Accords. The “Palestinian” Arabs breached the Oslo Accords by claiming all the land, firing rockets at Israeli cities, and by paying reward for terrorism. The “Palestinian” Arabs are funded not only by the “European Union” but also by the United States. Israel has already made all the concessions that could reasonably be expected from any country.
Seeking to put pressure on Israel to make yet more concessions, while failing to put pressure on the “Palestinian” Arabs to make concessions, constitutes political bias.
 
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The above is based on an answer I attempted to post to, but was deleted by, Stack Exchange (here with additional explanation added to the beginning, minor corrections, and some updated URLs), at: 
https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/63454/why-doesnt-the-us-condition-aid-to-israel-to-force-it-negotiate-over-the-israel/63553 - 63553
 
Though not included here, the answer had included a claim under Stack Exchange’s rule that allows what they term, a: “frame challenge”; a challenge to the basis of the question asked.

Their excuses for deleting my answer were:
It did not answer the question (thus simply ignoring my “frame challenge”),
and that it was: “biased” (yet I believe it is clear who was really biased in this case).
 
 
Extract from exchange of comments from Stack Exchange:

Robert:
[Stack Exchange moderator] Contributor “JJJ” wrote: “I don’t think your answer addresses the question. The question asks about US aid to Israel.”:
My answer contained the following at the beginning: “Others may therefore consider my answer includes a “frame challenge””. The question was not about U.S. aid to Israel, it was about using U.S. aid to Israel for leverage.
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