David Ben-Gurion and Dev Valera of Ireland

[Nooone]

Dev Valera had a lot in common with David ben Gurion
1) Both were orphans each changed their names  IN Ben Gurion case his in Hebrew Should have been David Ben Aviagor Green and {His mother name]
2) Each strived to rebuld thie ancestrial homelands....in their own versians of realty...Dev Valera spoke of rural Ireland where people danced in the streets......during his 47 year rule.......with an ron fist..either in goverment...or the pwoer behind goverment.....YET HE NEVEr CHANGED the BOUNDRY LINE WHICH WOULD HAVE MADE IRELAND A 32 COunty Repulbic
3) BEn Gurion in powere from 1921 to 1959 tried to make a New Jew state.....Where the Torah would not be a book to live your life by..but just a history book...jews would be social engieered to become left wing athetic Socialists....who would make deserts Bloom and vote the Israeli LAbor party in powere forever and Forever in fact it was in powere 1931-1977 {It was the 1973 war taht finally broke the stenaglehold of the Lobaor Party graps of Powere on israeli politics)..however he had political heirs..Golda Mier;;; Rabin...PEres,,,,,and lately Bennett,,,,

[LAsttime]

Speaking of David ben Avigor Grun
Yes my own 1/1/2 cents worth....Indeed in that "popular History" "O Jerusalem" on Deir Yassin. the authors talk about a alleged film/photographs of the Arab dead showing a massacre....yet this pictures have never been released citing "National Security"_
There are only two logical reasons for such censorship:
1} The pictures are shocking yet their released would prove Ben-Gurion charges of a massacre against the Irgun [and also the Hagannah forces which were also involved]
2) The pictures show Arab dead...in battle but not in a massacre....which would have defalted  Ben-Gurion charges as groundless rehortic....

Which is it? I dont know....but if the 2nd reason is correct....you must remember that Ben-Gurion was first and foremost a politian  whose political life was the founding of a Jewish state in his own version [similar to Dev Valera versian of a Irish state]
Ever since the giving of the Torah at Sinai the main focus of the Jewish People has beening "People of the Book" {Torah] and the settling of Jews in Land of Israel...Ben gurions focus was indeed the settlment of Jews in the Land of Israel...as regarding the Torah in Jewish Life....B.G. Versian is that Israel would be a "Modern"/athestic European type state ..
https://matzav.com/the-true-source-of-re...i-bennett/


In pursuit of his versian...he by his actions felt that only his party "Labor" would be Chief politcal party in charge of any goverment...and that Jabotinsky Revisionest Party would never lead any Israeli goverment...to that end he dod everything he could to make Heirut party the "unwelcome child" of any goverment coalition:  he refused the provision of  Jabotinsky will that he be reburied in the Land of Israel; he continually sneered at Jabotinsky as "Vladimir Hitler" etc,,etc,,,for all his political life..and even when he was officaly out of it....
as noted above the pictures of the dead would have proved his charges.....

P.S. I call "O Jerusalem" a popular history..not always accurate.. for example May-July 1948 Battles of Latrum that unkown numbers of IDF were casualites..echoing the talk that thousands IDF were killed there.
In fact although grevious  IDF loses Latrun and related battles were 260 killed; 327 WIA; 19  POW  total of 606
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of...aeli%20War.

[Alan_Boskov]

...B.G. Versian is that Israel would be a "Modern"/athestic European type state ...

There's a notable difference between an athiestic state (Soviet Union, Maoist China, North Korea etc...) and a secular European state.

[LAsttime]

Just as
Dev Valera tried to remake Ireland in his own version at the expense of Mick Collins...
Ben-Gurion tried to remake Israel in his own version at the expense of jabotinsky.....

Both these leaders differed...
when Arabs attacked Jewish Settlements,,,ben-Gurion/Labor favored restraint Jabotinsky favored Retalation
https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/03/dav...tionalism/

1932 direction of the Labor movement
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ben-guri...dwins-law/

1938 In regard to Jews of germany and Jews of Poland
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...hp?tid=694

Ben_Gurion hatred and fear of a man dead 25 years.....
Ben-Gurion’s Battle Against Bringing Jabotinsky’s Bones to Israel - Museum of the Jewish People (anumuseum.org.il)


Ben-Gurion religion of a secular International socialist Non Jewish religious state
https://www.truetorahjews.org/bengurion
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/222650
https://www.jewishpress.com/sections/fea...021/03/10/
https://matzav.com/the-true-source-of-re...i-bennett/

L-d Warning of those who rebel against the Torah
https://aish.com/48965916/

[COmentator]

Just as
Dev Valera tried to remake Ireland in his own version at the expense of Mick Collins...
Ben-Gurion tried to remake Israel in his own version at the expense of jabotinsky.....

Both these leaders differed...
when Arabs attacked Jewish Settlements,,,ben-Gurion/Labor favored restraint  Jabotinsky favored Retalation
https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/03/dav...tionalism/

1932 direction of the Labor movement
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ben-guri...dwins-law/

1938 In regard to Jews of germany and Jews of Poland
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...hp?tid=694

Ben_Gurion hatred and fear of a man dead 25 years.....
Ben-Gurion’s Battle Against Bringing Jabotinsky’s Bones to Israel - Museum of the Jewish People (anumuseum.org.il)


Ben-Gurion religion of a secular International socialist Non Jewish religious state
https://www.truetorahjews.org/bengurion
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/222650
https://www.jewishpress.com/sections/fea...021/03/10/
https://matzav.com/the-true-source-of-re...i-bennett/

The Torah warns that Jews must not make anon jew King of israel
https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questi...ent-figure

L-d Warning of those who rebel against the Torah
https://aish.com/48965916/

PLO/Hamas/Hebollah/the world..Israel gets the blame

https://aish.com/how-the-world-failed-ge...estinians/