https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/ Fri, 24 Apr 2026 12:38:03 +0000 MyBB https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1751 Mon, 20 Apr 2026 21:13:09 -0700 JudaicChristian]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1751 Israeli Soldier in Lebanon Sledgehammered a Statue of Jesus.

Exodus 20:4
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Leviticus 26:1
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God.

Sounds like he is a commandment keeping Israeli.]]> Israeli Soldier in Lebanon Sledgehammered a Statue of Jesus.

Exodus 20:4
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Leviticus 26:1
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God.

Sounds like he is a commandment keeping Israeli.]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1729 Wed, 04 Mar 2026 04:28:45 -0800 Eliyahu]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1729
Isaiah 53 speaks about the people of Israel.  The evidence for that is abundant and very strong. 

For the finer details look here:  Isaiah 53]]>
Isaiah 53 speaks about the people of Israel.  The evidence for that is abundant and very strong. 

For the finer details look here:  Isaiah 53]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1713 Wed, 14 Jan 2026 10:05:54 -0800 J-Man 70]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1713
Then they celebrate their pagan holidays like Ishtar (Easter) and in December they're putting up their pagan decorations! Don't they realize December 25th is the birthday of MANY pagan gods?

I've been in their Catholic churches watching them worship their statues. I do like their wine though!]]>
Then they celebrate their pagan holidays like Ishtar (Easter) and in December they're putting up their pagan decorations! Don't they realize December 25th is the birthday of MANY pagan gods?

I've been in their Catholic churches watching them worship their statues. I do like their wine though!]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1528 Sun, 12 Jan 2025 08:43:58 -0800 ThomasDGW]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1528
By contrast, the destruction of the second temple and Jerusalem, accompanied by the second exile, has only one reference in the Hebrew Bible, Hosea 3:4-5. No reasons given, except the hint that it has some relation to an unfaithful wife, no length of time given, the destruction not mentioned.  Yet, Amos 3:7 tells us that God does nothing unless He reveals it to His prophets. And the land rested for almost 2000 years, largely turning into a desert.  Are we to understand that God left the much longer second catastrophe and exile for the rabbis to ponder and analyze? When a rabbi gave a commentary about a temple destruction, people wondered whether he was referring to the first or second. The answer was that we know he was referring to the first temple because he included Bible references. This was a tacit admission that the second destruction has none.]]>
By contrast, the destruction of the second temple and Jerusalem, accompanied by the second exile, has only one reference in the Hebrew Bible, Hosea 3:4-5. No reasons given, except the hint that it has some relation to an unfaithful wife, no length of time given, the destruction not mentioned.  Yet, Amos 3:7 tells us that God does nothing unless He reveals it to His prophets. And the land rested for almost 2000 years, largely turning into a desert.  Are we to understand that God left the much longer second catastrophe and exile for the rabbis to ponder and analyze? When a rabbi gave a commentary about a temple destruction, people wondered whether he was referring to the first or second. The answer was that we know he was referring to the first temple because he included Bible references. This was a tacit admission that the second destruction has none.]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1506 Sat, 14 Dec 2024 14:53:33 -0800 ThomasDGW]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1506
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe5SOE2PJ0g

Don't worry, the only Bible reference is Daniel 2.]]>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe5SOE2PJ0g

Don't worry, the only Bible reference is Daniel 2.]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1479 Sun, 17 Nov 2024 10:40:31 -0800 Douggg]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1479
Here in the USA there is sandwich called a BLT sandwich.   Which stands for Bacon, Lettuce, Tomato sandwich.

Bacon of course is a non-kosher food for Jews.   So I am not suggesting such a sandwich for Jews.

A few years ago I was thinking about those three letters and came up with something that is food spiritually for Jews and that would be compatible with Judaism.

BLT

Believe God

Love God

Trust God]]>
Here in the USA there is sandwich called a BLT sandwich.   Which stands for Bacon, Lettuce, Tomato sandwich.

Bacon of course is a non-kosher food for Jews.   So I am not suggesting such a sandwich for Jews.

A few years ago I was thinking about those three letters and came up with something that is food spiritually for Jews and that would be compatible with Judaism.

BLT

Believe God

Love God

Trust God]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1366 Mon, 29 Apr 2024 06:09:20 -0700 searchinmyroots]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1366
Here it is for anyone who may be interested -

https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Bible-vs-G...125&sr=1-1]]>
Here it is for anyone who may be interested -

https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Bible-vs-G...125&sr=1-1]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1338 Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:35:44 -0800 ThomasDGW]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1338 "And they (literally 'he') made His grave with the wicked- But with the rich at His death." The New King James Version
"And He put with the wicked His grave and with a rich (man) in His death." The Interlinear Bible, translated by Jay P. Green, Sr
"His grave was assigned with wicked men, yet He was with a rich man in His death." New American Standard Version
"And they made his grave with the wicked and in his deaths among the rich," Unknown version quoted by Michoel Drazin
"And his grave was set among the wicked, And with the rich, in his death (with footnote I can't find)" translation from sefaria.org
"And he gave his grave to the wicked, and to the wealthy with his kinds of death," translation from chabad.org

The basic meaning is clear, his grave was made, put, set with, or given to the wicked, and in his death, he was with a rich man, or simply among the rich. There is a question about the word "deaths" in Hebrew. I don't know Hebrew and can't explain why the Christian, Jay Green, and other translators put it as singular, if it is supposed to be plural.  I take that seriously and I am not amenable to say, "Oh, it doesn't have to be exactly right." I plan to deal with that later.

But first, who was buried with the wicked and also was with the rich in death? Three of the Christian translations capitalize the "He", indicating that this is a divine person, but I ignore that as the opinion of the translator. I already knew that the majority consensus of Jewish scholars seems to be that this is the nation Israel. I have already read a couple explanations of this, but I ask the Jews here to go ahead and explain how Israel fulfilled this passage.]]> "And they (literally 'he') made His grave with the wicked- But with the rich at His death." The New King James Version
"And He put with the wicked His grave and with a rich (man) in His death." The Interlinear Bible, translated by Jay P. Green, Sr
"His grave was assigned with wicked men, yet He was with a rich man in His death." New American Standard Version
"And they made his grave with the wicked and in his deaths among the rich," Unknown version quoted by Michoel Drazin
"And his grave was set among the wicked, And with the rich, in his death (with footnote I can't find)" translation from sefaria.org
"And he gave his grave to the wicked, and to the wealthy with his kinds of death," translation from chabad.org

The basic meaning is clear, his grave was made, put, set with, or given to the wicked, and in his death, he was with a rich man, or simply among the rich. There is a question about the word "deaths" in Hebrew. I don't know Hebrew and can't explain why the Christian, Jay Green, and other translators put it as singular, if it is supposed to be plural.  I take that seriously and I am not amenable to say, "Oh, it doesn't have to be exactly right." I plan to deal with that later.

But first, who was buried with the wicked and also was with the rich in death? Three of the Christian translations capitalize the "He", indicating that this is a divine person, but I ignore that as the opinion of the translator. I already knew that the majority consensus of Jewish scholars seems to be that this is the nation Israel. I have already read a couple explanations of this, but I ask the Jews here to go ahead and explain how Israel fulfilled this passage.]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1335 Wed, 21 Feb 2024 18:03:22 -0800 ThomasDGW]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1335
However, I have a useful tool that can clarify meanings of Hebrew text, I think better than a dictionary: a Hebrew concordance, which lists every Hebrew word in the Bible and then lists every phrase in the Bible where that word is used, indicating the tense of the word. Mine is called The Englishman's Hebrew and Chaldee Concordance of the Old Testament by George V. Wigram, which shows the King James translation of each phrase containing each Hebrew word

I looked up the word translated "bear/bore" in Isaiah 53:11, 12, "nawsaw" and scanned through the verses shown. It is used about 800 times in the Bible, but I focused on the times when it refers to bearing sins or guilt. I noted about 8 examples that I think shed light on this issue of bearing sins:

Exodus 28:38, 43 refer to the high priest, first bearing the iniquity of Israel in their holy offerings and then in the high priest bearing his own iniquity and dying if he is not dressed correctly when he enters the holy place.  Both refer to the weight or punishment of the sin, not effects of sinful actions.

Leviticus 5:1, 17 use the phrase to refer to a person who becomes aware of his sin that was previously hidden from his knowledge. It seems to me to refer to being guilty of the sin.

Leviticus 16:22 tells how the scapegoat bears the sins of Israel into the wilderness, taking the guilt away from the congregation.

Numbers 14:33 uses the phrase to refer to the innocent children of the rebels at Kadesh Barnea who will have to bear the sins of the rebels by being in the wilderness with them. Again, it refers to suffering the consequences of another's sin as if they were guilty, not the evil actions themselves.

Numbers 30:15 says that a husband of a vowing wife will bear her guilt if he doesn't annul her vow. Again, he is not getting hurt by the vow, but is charged with the guilt for it not being fulfilled.

Psalm 32:5 and 85:4 used the term to refer to God's forgiving the sin or not having the sin duly recompensed.  This seems close to the idea that Tovia expressed, but it involves the sinner being released from the guilt of the sin. That doesn't seem to me to fit with the NAZIs killing your family.

Ezekiel 4:5-6 refers to the prophet bearing the sins of Israel by lying on his side for about a year. Again, this doesn't fit with the idea of suffering their sinful actions, but rather taking on himself part of the punishment.

Ezekiel 18:19-20 is very emphatic that the son is not to bear the sin of the father. If bearing the sin of the father meant receiving his attacks in an abusive relationship, this verse would be nonsense, because this does happen, yet God says that the son shall not bear the sins of the father. It must mean being punished by God.

I scanned though the other verses, looking for those referring to bearing sins or guilt and found none that gave the meaning that Tovia Singer ascribes to the phrase.  I conclude that for the servant to bear the sins of many, it must mean that he takes away their guilt for the sin that they committed. Thus, it cannot refer to Israel. All of those anti-Semites are going to answer for their sins.]]>
However, I have a useful tool that can clarify meanings of Hebrew text, I think better than a dictionary: a Hebrew concordance, which lists every Hebrew word in the Bible and then lists every phrase in the Bible where that word is used, indicating the tense of the word. Mine is called The Englishman's Hebrew and Chaldee Concordance of the Old Testament by George V. Wigram, which shows the King James translation of each phrase containing each Hebrew word

I looked up the word translated "bear/bore" in Isaiah 53:11, 12, "nawsaw" and scanned through the verses shown. It is used about 800 times in the Bible, but I focused on the times when it refers to bearing sins or guilt. I noted about 8 examples that I think shed light on this issue of bearing sins:

Exodus 28:38, 43 refer to the high priest, first bearing the iniquity of Israel in their holy offerings and then in the high priest bearing his own iniquity and dying if he is not dressed correctly when he enters the holy place.  Both refer to the weight or punishment of the sin, not effects of sinful actions.

Leviticus 5:1, 17 use the phrase to refer to a person who becomes aware of his sin that was previously hidden from his knowledge. It seems to me to refer to being guilty of the sin.

Leviticus 16:22 tells how the scapegoat bears the sins of Israel into the wilderness, taking the guilt away from the congregation.

Numbers 14:33 uses the phrase to refer to the innocent children of the rebels at Kadesh Barnea who will have to bear the sins of the rebels by being in the wilderness with them. Again, it refers to suffering the consequences of another's sin as if they were guilty, not the evil actions themselves.

Numbers 30:15 says that a husband of a vowing wife will bear her guilt if he doesn't annul her vow. Again, he is not getting hurt by the vow, but is charged with the guilt for it not being fulfilled.

Psalm 32:5 and 85:4 used the term to refer to God's forgiving the sin or not having the sin duly recompensed.  This seems close to the idea that Tovia expressed, but it involves the sinner being released from the guilt of the sin. That doesn't seem to me to fit with the NAZIs killing your family.

Ezekiel 4:5-6 refers to the prophet bearing the sins of Israel by lying on his side for about a year. Again, this doesn't fit with the idea of suffering their sinful actions, but rather taking on himself part of the punishment.

Ezekiel 18:19-20 is very emphatic that the son is not to bear the sin of the father. If bearing the sin of the father meant receiving his attacks in an abusive relationship, this verse would be nonsense, because this does happen, yet God says that the son shall not bear the sins of the father. It must mean being punished by God.

I scanned though the other verses, looking for those referring to bearing sins or guilt and found none that gave the meaning that Tovia Singer ascribes to the phrase.  I conclude that for the servant to bear the sins of many, it must mean that he takes away their guilt for the sin that they committed. Thus, it cannot refer to Israel. All of those anti-Semites are going to answer for their sins.]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1206 Wed, 13 Sep 2023 13:48:26 -0700 searchinmyroots]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1206
Please listen to the questions and the answers. Do you believe the Hebrew bible for what it and G-d says?

Will this change your beliefs? Probably not, but if you truly have an open heart to listen carefully, it might provide some food for thought.

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Please listen to the questions and the answers. Do you believe the Hebrew bible for what it and G-d says?

Will this change your beliefs? Probably not, but if you truly have an open heart to listen carefully, it might provide some food for thought.

]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1195 Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:24:03 -0700 searchinmyroots]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1195
So how will we know who and when?

The only place to look for the answer is the Hebrew bible.

First, it must  be noted the Hebrew bible never mentions "The Messiah" as a specific person who will usher in the Messianic era.

But there are many verses related to what this person will accomplish and what the world will be like when he arrives.

So basically, this messiah, or better stated, anointed one, will usher in the messianic era, as foretold in the Hebrew Bible, and to preside

over the people of Israel as their king, sitting on the throne of King David.

The successful candidate will possess attributes that must include, but are not necessarily limited to, the following:

1. Be the seed (a direct descendant) of King David, through King Solomon
(e.g., 2Samuel 7:12-16)
2. Be a spiritual and political/military leader (e.g., Isaiah 2:3, 11:2-3,6; Daniel
7:14)
3. Be married and have children during his term (e.g., Ezekiel 46:16-17)



The successful candidate will be expected to complete the messianic agenda and, thereby, bring about certain conditions during his reign, though some actions will commence prior to his being identified as the Messiah. These must include, but not necessarily be limited to, the following:

1. The coming of Elijah to herald the Messiah’s arrival (e.g., Malachi 3:1,23-
24[4:5-6]3)
2. Building the Third Temple in Jerusalem (e.g., Ezekiel 37:26-28)
3. In-gathering of the Jewish exiles to the Promised Land (e.g., Isaiah 11:12)
4. Reunifying Judah and Israel into one people (e.g., Ezekiel 37:22,24)
5. Establishing world peace (e.g., Isaiah 2:4)
6. Bringing about the universal knowledge of God (e.g., Isaiah 11:9)
7. Realizing the general resurrection of the dead (e.g., Daniel 12:2)



There have been many whom were thought to be the messiah, but when it was realized they did not accomplish all of what was foretold in the Hebrew bible, were dismissed as being so.

So we wait for those days when the signs of the anointed one arrives, the nations of the world will live in peace and know the One true G-d of Israel.

May it come speedily in our time.

Excerpts taken from Uri Yosef article.]]>
So how will we know who and when?

The only place to look for the answer is the Hebrew bible.

First, it must  be noted the Hebrew bible never mentions "The Messiah" as a specific person who will usher in the Messianic era.

But there are many verses related to what this person will accomplish and what the world will be like when he arrives.

So basically, this messiah, or better stated, anointed one, will usher in the messianic era, as foretold in the Hebrew Bible, and to preside

over the people of Israel as their king, sitting on the throne of King David.

The successful candidate will possess attributes that must include, but are not necessarily limited to, the following:

1. Be the seed (a direct descendant) of King David, through King Solomon
(e.g., 2Samuel 7:12-16)
2. Be a spiritual and political/military leader (e.g., Isaiah 2:3, 11:2-3,6; Daniel
7:14)
3. Be married and have children during his term (e.g., Ezekiel 46:16-17)



The successful candidate will be expected to complete the messianic agenda and, thereby, bring about certain conditions during his reign, though some actions will commence prior to his being identified as the Messiah. These must include, but not necessarily be limited to, the following:

1. The coming of Elijah to herald the Messiah’s arrival (e.g., Malachi 3:1,23-
24[4:5-6]3)
2. Building the Third Temple in Jerusalem (e.g., Ezekiel 37:26-28)
3. In-gathering of the Jewish exiles to the Promised Land (e.g., Isaiah 11:12)
4. Reunifying Judah and Israel into one people (e.g., Ezekiel 37:22,24)
5. Establishing world peace (e.g., Isaiah 2:4)
6. Bringing about the universal knowledge of God (e.g., Isaiah 11:9)
7. Realizing the general resurrection of the dead (e.g., Daniel 12:2)



There have been many whom were thought to be the messiah, but when it was realized they did not accomplish all of what was foretold in the Hebrew bible, were dismissed as being so.

So we wait for those days when the signs of the anointed one arrives, the nations of the world will live in peace and know the One true G-d of Israel.

May it come speedily in our time.

Excerpts taken from Uri Yosef article.]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1183 Tue, 11 Jul 2023 10:17:14 -0700 Blue Bird]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1183  
For this is the covenant that I will form with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will place My law in their midst and I will inscribe it upon their hearts, and I will be their God and they shall be My people.
 
And no longer shall one teach his neighbor or [shall] one [teach] his brother, saying, "Know the Lord," for they shall all know Me from their smallest to their greatest, says the Lord, for I will forgive their iniquity and their sin I will no longer remember."

I took these verses from the Hebrew Bible and I was curious what the reaction would be if a missionary presented these verses to you.]]>  
For this is the covenant that I will form with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will place My law in their midst and I will inscribe it upon their hearts, and I will be their God and they shall be My people.
 
And no longer shall one teach his neighbor or [shall] one [teach] his brother, saying, "Know the Lord," for they shall all know Me from their smallest to their greatest, says the Lord, for I will forgive their iniquity and their sin I will no longer remember."

I took these verses from the Hebrew Bible and I was curious what the reaction would be if a missionary presented these verses to you.]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1171 Wed, 14 Jun 2023 15:48:26 -0700 searchinmyroots]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1171
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I see many, many places where they are said to do things wrong, but don't know of any places where it is said they do things right.]]>
I see many, many places where they are said to do things wrong, but don't know of any places where it is said they do things right.]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1080 Mon, 19 Sep 2022 13:41:14 -0700 searchinmyroots]]> https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1080
16 - He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read,
17 - and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
18 - “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
    because he has anointed me
    to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
    and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,

19 - to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.

20 - Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21- He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”


Isaiah 61-1 from where it was said he was reading from -

The spirit of the Lord God was upon me, since the Lord anointed me to bring tidings to the humble, He sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to declare freedom for the captives, and for the prisoners to free from captivity.

To declare a year of acceptance for the Lord and a day of vengeance for our God, to console all mourners


Serious question -

Why and how is it that "and recovery of sight for the blind" is added?

It clearly isn't written anywhere in Isaiah 61.

Why does the Christian bible say "Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:" when something was added that is not written there at all?]]>
16 - He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read,
17 - and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
18 - “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
    because he has anointed me
    to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
    and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,

19 - to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.

20 - Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21- He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”


Isaiah 61-1 from where it was said he was reading from -

The spirit of the Lord God was upon me, since the Lord anointed me to bring tidings to the humble, He sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to declare freedom for the captives, and for the prisoners to free from captivity.

To declare a year of acceptance for the Lord and a day of vengeance for our God, to console all mourners


Serious question -

Why and how is it that "and recovery of sight for the blind" is added?

It clearly isn't written anywhere in Isaiah 61.

Why does the Christian bible say "Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:" when something was added that is not written there at all?]]>