(04-20-2023, 07:45 PM)ctjacobs Wrote: For Yeshua to be the christian messias it is necessary that there was a Yeshua which fits the description in the new testament.
Now see this website.

(04-20-2023, 11:39 PM)Linde Wrote:

(04-20-2023, 07:45 PM)ctjacobs Wrote: For Yeshua to be the christian messias it is necessary that there was a Yeshua which fits the description in the new testament.
Now see this website.

I hope you know that Jews are not interested in anything you Christians call the new testament.  I would be as excited to read something about Buddha, or Mohamed!

(04-20-2023, 05:24 PM)veil23 Wrote:

(04-19-2023, 12:36 AM)searchinmyroots Wrote: My answer is short and to the point -

By reading and understanding what is written in the Hebrew bible.

Well, that is my point.  If the priests could not partake of the sacrifice if it's blood was brought into the sanctuary (as in day of Atonement) but had to to burn it outside the camp isn't it logical that Yeshua is Messiah since he suffered outside the camp (city) and a follower of him CAN partake of this sacrifice, in-other-words, get the atonement inside of themselves?

(04-20-2023, 09:34 PM)RabbiO Wrote: @veil23 -

For starters, if you don’t mind my asking, just how much do you actually know about Judaism - as it was, as it is?

(04-21-2023, 10:00 PM)searchinmyroots Wrote:

(04-20-2023, 05:24 PM)veil23 Wrote:

(04-19-2023, 12:36 AM)searchinmyroots Wrote: My answer is short and to the point -

By reading and understanding what is written in the Hebrew bible.

Well, that is my point.  If the priests could not partake of the sacrifice if it's blood was brought into the sanctuary (as in day of Atonement) but had to to burn it outside the camp isn't it logical that Yeshua is Messiah since he suffered outside the camp (city) and a follower of him CAN partake of this sacrifice, in-other-words, get the atonement inside of themselves?

What is logical in my point of view is what the Hebrew bible alludes to as a coming messiah, not what "may seem logical".

Do you think it was just an animal sacrifice that brought atonement?

Have you read what other parts of the Hebrew bible say in reference to that?

Was Jesus burned outside the camp?

(04-20-2023, 06:26 PM)Linde Wrote: Because this person does not meet the requirements our belief tells us the Messiah must meet!

https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/messiah-the-criteria

I am a very secular Jew, but I am a Jew and don't want to be a Christian.  We rejected this idea of the Christian Messiah for about 2000 years long by now, and you can be sure that our scholars looked into any evidence there was, to establish that this is not the Messiah we are waiting for!

(04-20-2023, 09:34 PM)RabbiO Wrote: @veil23 -

For starters, if you don’t mind my asking, just how much do you actually know about Judaism - as it was, as it is?

(04-21-2023, 10:54 PM)veil23 Wrote:

(04-21-2023, 10:00 PM)searchinmyroots Wrote:

(04-20-2023, 05:24 PM)veil23 Wrote:

(04-19-2023, 12:36 AM)searchinmyroots Wrote: My answer is short and to the point -

By reading and understanding what is written in the Hebrew bible.

Well, that is my point.  If the priests could not partake of the sacrifice if it's blood was brought into the sanctuary (as in day of Atonement) but had to to burn it outside the camp isn't it logical that Yeshua is Messiah since he suffered outside the camp (city) and a follower of him CAN partake of this sacrifice, in-other-words, get the atonement inside of themselves?

What is logical in my point of view is what the Hebrew bible alludes to as a coming messiah, not what "may seem logical".

Do you think it was just an animal sacrifice that brought atonement?

Have you read what other parts of the Hebrew bible say in reference to that?

Was Jesus burned outside the camp?

He suffered outside the gate of Jerusalem, outside the temple.  He was burnt in Hell (as King David prophesied).  The passover was to be roasted symbolizing the same. And not a bone was broken of him (or the lamb) as per Moses' instructions.  To me this is a logical connection.  I can give chapter and verse for everything if you need me to.  What else brought atonement (besides the scapegoat)?  As for what other parts of the Hebrew bible say in reference to the priests not being allowed to eat if blood brought into sanctuary I can connect to it the vow and thank offerings that could be eaten (so as to get atonement that the priests could not get because they were not allowed to eat of it).

(04-23-2023, 12:57 PM)searchinmyroots Wrote:

(04-21-2023, 10:54 PM)veil23 Wrote:

(04-21-2023, 10:00 PM)searchinmyroots Wrote:

(04-20-2023, 05:24 PM)veil23 Wrote:

(04-19-2023, 12:36 AM)searchinmyroots Wrote: My answer is short and to the point -

By reading and understanding what is written in the Hebrew bible.

Well, that is my point.  If the priests could not partake of the sacrifice if it's blood was brought into the sanctuary (as in day of Atonement) but had to to burn it outside the camp isn't it logical that Yeshua is Messiah since he suffered outside the camp (city) and a follower of him CAN partake of this sacrifice, in-other-words, get the atonement inside of themselves?

What is logical in my point of view is what the Hebrew bible alludes to as a coming messiah, not what "may seem logical".

Do you think it was just an animal sacrifice that brought atonement?

Have you read what other parts of the Hebrew bible say in reference to that?

Was Jesus burned outside the camp?

He suffered outside the gate of Jerusalem, outside the temple.  He was burnt in Hell (as King David prophesied).  The passover was to be roasted symbolizing the same. And not a bone was broken of him (or the lamb) as per Moses' instructions.  To me this is a logical connection.  I can give chapter and verse for everything if you need me to.  What else brought atonement (besides the scapegoat)?  As for what other parts of the Hebrew bible say in reference to the priests not being allowed to eat if blood brought into sanctuary I can connect to it the vow and thank offerings that could be eaten (so as to get atonement that the priests could not get because they were not allowed to eat of it).

So it looks like you are just going to throw things at us that really don't apply and I don't really want to address everything that has already been addressed for thousands of years.

Let's get to the real point.

What does the Hebrew bible say about what would seem to be a coming messiah?

How will we know he has arrived?

No types and shadows please.

(04-21-2023, 10:57 PM)veil23 Wrote:

(04-20-2023, 06:26 PM)Linde Wrote: Because this person does not meet the requirements our belief tells us the Messiah must meet!

https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/messiah-the-criteria

I am a very secular Jew, but I am a Jew and don't want to be a Christian.  We rejected this idea of the Christian Messiah for about 2000 years long by now, and you can be sure that our scholars looked into any evidence there was, to establish that this is not the Messiah we are waiting for!

I will check out that link before we discuss any further..I hope you are up for a little more..