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I'll just get started with the sort of list I was thinking of: - squee100 - 03-06-2019
I'll just get started with the sort of list I was thinking of:
Byse
Vyse
Phie
Phy
Fi
Bice
Vice
Bise
Vise
RE: I'll just get started with the sort of list I was thinking of: - Channalee - 03-06-2019
(03-06-2019, 06:18 PM)squee100 Wrote: I'll just get started with the sort of list I was thinking of:
Byse
Vyse
Phie
Phy
Fi
Bice
Vice
Bise
Vise
Without referencing some accepted, authoritative source, I'm afraid that you may be the only person to whom that list makes any sense.
Here are the sources: - squee100 - 03-06-2019
(03-06-2019, 07:03 PM)Channalee Wrote:(03-06-2019, 06:18 PM)squee100 Wrote: I'll just get started with the sort of list I was thinking of:
Byse
Vyse
Phie
Phy
Fi
Bice
Vice
Bise
Vise
Without referencing some accepted, authoritative source, I'm afraid that you may be the only person to whom that list makes any sense.
Here are the sources:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/HMYYRBOH_YDLYL_JYS_DMLM_or_Hebrew_and_En/KEYEAAAAQAAJ?hl=en#spf=1551900593290
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/143904150565072892
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Na_sic_Easy_Guide_or_an_Introduction_to/RqNWAAAAcAAJ?hl=en#spf=1551901649177
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pantography/UDcQAAAAYAAJ?hl=en#spf=1551902033953 ("bise" is on page 60)
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Reform_Advocate/4ukqAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=hebrew+aleph-bice&pg=PA493&printsec=frontcover ("bice" is on page 493)
You won't find other similar spellings in sources like these -- I've looked. I don't, however, feel comfortable making up my own spellings. This is why I've posted this thread -- so other people can make them up for me!
RE: Here are the sources: - Channalee - 03-06-2019
(03-06-2019, 08:03 PM)squee100 Wrote:(03-06-2019, 07:03 PM)Channalee Wrote:(03-06-2019, 06:18 PM)squee100 Wrote: I'll just get started with the sort of list I was thinking of:
Byse
Vyse
Phie
Phy
Fi
Bice
Vice
Bise
Vise
Without referencing some accepted, authoritative source, I'm afraid that you may be the only person to whom that list makes any sense.
Here are the sources:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/HMYYRBOH_YDLYL_JYS_DMLM_or_Hebrew_and_En/KEYEAAAAQAAJ?hl=en#spf=1551900593290
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/143904150565072892
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Na_sic_Easy_Guide_or_an_Introduction_to/RqNWAAAAcAAJ?hl=en#spf=1551901649177
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pantography/UDcQAAAAYAAJ?hl=en#spf=1551902033953 ("bise" is on page 60)
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Reform_Advocate/4ukqAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=hebrew+aleph-bice&pg=PA493&printsec=frontcover ("bice" is on page 493)
You won't find other similar spellings in sources like these -- I've looked. I don't, however, feel comfortable making up my own spellings. This is why I've posted this thread -- so other people can make them up for me!
Oh, okay. Good luck with your project!
Can you make up some such spellings for me? For example, it should be possible to ine - squee100 - 03-06-2019
(03-06-2019, 08:17 PM)Channalee Wrote:Can you make up some such spellings for me? For example, it should be possible to ineterchange an "f" and a "ph," or an "i(-e)," "y(-e)," and "ie."(03-06-2019, 08:03 PM)squee100 Wrote:(03-06-2019, 07:03 PM)Channalee Wrote:(03-06-2019, 06:18 PM)squee100 Wrote: I'll just get started with the sort of list I was thinking of:
Byse
Vyse
Phie
Phy
Fi
Bice
Vice
Bise
Vise
Without referencing some accepted, authoritative source, I'm afraid that you may be the only person to whom that list makes any sense.
Here are the sources:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/HMYYRBOH_YDLYL_JYS_DMLM_or_Hebrew_and_En/KEYEAAAAQAAJ?hl=en#spf=1551900593290
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/143904150565072892
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Na_sic_Easy_Guide_or_an_Introduction_to/RqNWAAAAcAAJ?hl=en#spf=1551901649177
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pantography/UDcQAAAAYAAJ?hl=en#spf=1551902033953 ("bise" is on page 60)
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Reform_Advocate/4ukqAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=hebrew+aleph-bice&pg=PA493&printsec=frontcover ("bice" is on page 493)
You won't find other similar spellings in sources like these -- I've looked. I don't, however, feel comfortable making up my own spellings. This is why I've posted this thread -- so other people can make them up for me!
Oh, okay. Good luck with your project!
RE: Can we list the potential ways of transliterating Polish Ashkenazi בֵּית, בֵֿית, פֵֿא - Jason - 03-06-2019
Just be aware that Yiddish isn't Hebrew. We know Hebrew here, not Yiddish.
Channalee, after looking at the sources I've provided which seems more reasonable? - squee100 - 03-08-2019
Channalee, after looking at the sources I've provided which seems more reasonable?
Bys, Vys, Fy
Bies, Vies, Fie
Would Beis, Veis, Fei work for that sound?
RE: Channalee, after looking at the sources I've provided which seems more reasonable? - Channalee - 03-08-2019
(03-08-2019, 04:11 AM)squee100 Wrote: Channalee, after looking at the sources I've provided which seems more reasonable?
Bys, Vys, Fy
Bies, Vies, Fie
Would Beis, Veis, Fei work for that sound?
The "ei" letter combination is often used in transliteration, as in the example of the Yiddish name "Sheina." The late Rabbi Shmuel Gorr used this form of transliteration for his highly popular book Jewish Personal Names: Their Origin, Derivation and Diminutive Forms. This book, by the way, is also the source-book that Chabad uses for their lists of "Popular Jewish Names" on their website.
YIVO, an internationally recognized Institute for Jewish Research, recommends using "ey" (rhymes with "grey," "prey" and "Sheyna") for Yiddish transliteration. I've linked their chart for you below. Scroll down on the chart until you get to the "letter combinations" at the bottom.
https://lith520.class.uic.edu/Yiddish%20Alphabet%20and%20YIVO%20Transliteration%20Chart.pdf
I suppose you can use whatever transliteration scheme that you choose to devise on your own but, if you want to be understood by the majority, I would suggest you stick to the YIVO standardization. I personally don't care for some of YIVO's choices for transliteration but I understand that my preference is based on what I'm personally most familiar with (as I've already described in previous postings in this thread).
What about ei as in gesundheit (like you mentioned before)? Can you also please answe - squee100 - 03-08-2019
(03-08-2019, 11:36 AM)Channalee Wrote:What about ei as in gesundheit (like you mentioned before)? Can you also please answer my question about bys/vys/fy vs. bies/vies/fie?(03-08-2019, 04:11 AM)squee100 Wrote: Channalee, after looking at the sources I've provided which seems more reasonable?
Bys, Vys, Fy
Bies, Vies, Fie
Would Beis, Veis, Fei work for that sound?
The "ei" letter combination is often used in transliteration, as in the example of the Yiddish name "Sheina." The late Rabbi Shmuel Gorr used this form of transliteration for his highly popular book Jewish Personal Names: Their Origin, Derivation and Diminutive Forms. This book, by the way, is also the source-book that Chabad uses for their lists of "Popular Jewish Names" on their website.
YIVO, an internationally recognized Institute for Jewish Research, recommends using "ey" (rhymes with "grey," "prey" and "Sheyna") for Yiddish transliteration. I've linked their chart for you below. Scroll down on the chart until you get to the "letter combinations" at the bottom.
https://lith520.class.uic.edu/Yiddish%20Alphabet%20and%20YIVO%20Transliteration%20Chart.pdf
I suppose you can use whatever transliteration scheme that you choose to devise on your own but, if you want to be understood by the majority, I would suggest you stick to the YIVO standardization. I personally don't care for some of YIVO's choices for transliteration but I understand that my preference is based on what I'm personally most familiar with (as I've already described in previous postings in this thread).
RE: What about ei as in gesundheit (like you mentioned before)? Can you also please answe - Channalee - 03-08-2019
(03-08-2019, 09:42 PM)squee100 Wrote: What about ei as in gesundheit (like you mentioned before)? Can you also please answer my question about bys/vys/fy vs. bies/vies/fie?
Sorry, squee100. No can do. I can't really work up the interest to get into this topic any further than I've done already.
I wish you good luck in your project.