(02-17-2024, 01:29 PM)Praise El Shaddai Wrote: Hello Folks!

I hope someone with Hebrew language skills can help me out.

I am trying to do a little sign that will have written on it in 4 languages the "famous" quote from Samuel in 1. Samuel 7,12 
where he erected a stone that said: “Till now the Lord has helped us.”

So my problem is I speak no Hebrew at all but I want to put this phrase on the sign correctly as it is in the Tanakh.

So I found one text in Hebrew that is written like this: וַיֹּאמַר, עַד-הֵנָּה עֲזָרָנוּ יְהוָה.
And when I put it from English into google it showed an easier(?) version: עד עכשיו ה' עזר לנו.

So now my question, what is the "original" that is in the Tanakh and is there an easier modern form of hebrew to write this?
Because in the translation from google there are almost no little signs below or above the letters.

Sorry I have really no idea unfortunately but I would like to write this correct as it is in a modern hebrew tanakh.
Thanks for helping me out!

God bless!

(02-18-2024, 03:12 PM)ctjacobs Wrote: The tanach is online here. Your first version is correct except you quote a word too much which says we jomar, and he said.

עַד־הֵ֖נָּהעֲזָרָ֥נוּ יְהֹוָֽה

If you don't like the little signs here is the same text with the little signs deleted:

עד־הנהעזרנו יהוה

(02-23-2024, 03:50 PM)Praise El Shaddai Wrote:

(02-18-2024, 03:12 PM)ctjacobs Wrote: The tanach is online here. Your first version is correct except you quote a word too much which says we jomar, and he said.

עַד־הֵ֖נָּהעֲזָרָ֥נוּ יְהֹוָֽה

If you don't like the little signs here is the same text with the little signs deleted:

עד־הנהעזרנו יהוה

Thank you very much ctjacobs for this very clear answer (and the hint with the one word too much)
So just for my understanding, if I leave the little signs out it is still readable corretly?
It would be easier to make the sign and in my eyes it looks a little nicer 

Quote:Samuel lived ca 1070-1012 before zero. The Masoretes wrote the little signs centuries after zero. So evidently the text was during ages legible without the little signs.

(02-25-2024, 01:37 AM)RabbiO Wrote: The “little signs” are the vowel marking system, niqqud, for Hebrew. Guess what, pick up a copy of an Israeli newspaper and you won’t find use of niqqud.

Of course, Samuel wouldn’t have written either version because the form of the Hebrew letters was different than the form of the letters used now.