Prophecies

[searchinmyroots]

Interesting article about biblical prophecies.

What I think is more important and of great value, is the last paragraph of the article -

" Bottom line, I tell people not to worry about prophecies too much. They’re an interesting diversion, but they’re really only visible through the rearview mirror. Most prophecies are rather obscure, and people are too quick to apply them to things in the news. We should concern ourselves less with the prophecies in the Torah and occupy ourselves more with the mitzvos. If we do what we’re supposed to do, God will ensure that history plays out the way it’s supposed to."

https://jewinthecity.com/2024/04/which-j...come-true/

[Blue Bird]

There were individuals among your people who cared about prophecy, like Daniel (Daniel 9:2+3).

I have question without sarcasm, if the Tora is holy for you, can you still decide what is relevant and what is not?

[searchinmyroots]

There were individuals among your people who cared about prophecy, like Daniel (Daniel 9:2+3).

I have question without sarcasm, if the Tora is holy for you, can you still decide what is relevant and what is not?

Well, Daniel is not considered a true prophet in Judaism, that's why he is not part of the books of prophets.

It's not up to me to decide what is relevant!

Two answers -

1 - It's all relevant to me, even if it's just understanding things that don't have to do with me.

2 - If there are any questions as to what applies and what does not apply to me, then we defer to the elders.

[Blue Bird]

What is the meaning of holy in the context of holy scriptures then?

I thought of Daniel as a member of the Jewish people, not as a prophet. Here is the text:

In the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, contemplated the calculations, the number of the years that the word of the Lord had come to Jeremiah the prophet, since the destruction of Jerusalem seventy years. And I turned my face to the Lord God to beg with prayer and supplications, with fasting and sackcloth and ashes.

[searchinmyroots]

Blue Bird,

Yes, of course Daniel was a member of the Jewish people, that goes without saying.

Many of his visions are obscure and not straightforward.

[ESchaible]

What is more interesting, to me at least, is the criteria that goes into the picking and choosing of who is considered a true, and false prophet. While you may not go so far as to say Daniel is a false prophet, this is in fact the only other alternative to the true - and man may set up a criteria that is totally and utterly foreign to the obvious and clearly stated criteria of God.

Rabbinic tradition is notorious for its deeming of anything that challenges the status quo as "irrelevant" and false - and the irony is that this is a foremost concern of the prophets.

I would be interested to know why you personally discount Daniel.

[rosends]

What is more interesting, to me at least, is the criteria that goes into the picking and choosing of who is considered a true, and false prophet. While you may not go so far as to say Daniel is a false prophet, this is in fact the only other alternative to the true - and man may set up a criteria that is totally and utterly foreign to the obvious and clearly stated criteria of God.

Rabbinic tradition is notorious for its deeming of anything that challenges the status quo as "irrelevant" and false - and the irony is that this is a foremost concern of the prophets.

I would be interested to know why you personally discount Daniel.

There are very specific requirements for someone's visions to be considered prophecy and for a person to be a prophet. You don't have to like it but that's the way it is. Prophecy in Judaism is clearly not what you think it is but your opinion doesn't really matter.

[ESchaible]

So the criteria is solidly outlined for us in the Torah am I correct? And The Lord speaking via the prophets gives us clear criteria as well. Unless of course, the words of God are considered secondary to the words of men, we don't even have to consider whether or not you or I "like it".

[rosends]

So the criteria is solidly outlined for us in the Torah am I correct? And The Lord speaking via the prophets gives us clear criteria as well. Unless of course, the words of God are considered secondary to the words of men, we don't even have to consider whether or not you or I "like it".

Yes, you are correct. The problem will no doubt develop in your limited understanding of what "Torah" means.

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questi...th-all-the

https://www.jewfaq.org/prophets

[ESchaible]

Could the problem actually, first and foremost, already be developed in your smug and self satisfied approach to the discussion of truth?

I seem to recall that God resists the proud, and something else about pride preceding destruction.

Covenantal obedience and it's claim on you should necessitate your faithfulness to the call of God, being a light to the gentiles. Instead, your flint like countenance no doubt repels not only gentiles, but also God Himself.