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Posted by: william - 01-19-2026, 12:57 PM - Forum: Hangout - Replies (3)

Hi everyone! I hope you are okey at your end.
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  Exodus 20
Posted by: gib65 - 01-10-2026, 06:51 AM - Forum: Judaism General - Replies (8)

Hello everyone... H'oh boy, this one's gonna be long! We've finally come to everyone's favorite chapter: the 10 Commandments! This post will dissect and analyze Exodus 20, the point in the story where God finally delivers His Commandments to the people of Israel (is everyone as excited as I am? Big Grin ). I have to warn you in advance, this post is by far the longest post I've written--I guess on a subject like the 10 Commandments, one cannot say enough. Anyway, my official sources are:

* primary: chabad.org

* secondary: biblegateway.com

* And if all else fails: chatgpt.com*

And I have to apologize for not being more specific in previous posts. When I cite quotes from BibleGateway.com, I'm using the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible. I will be sure to make that more explicit in future posts.

Exodus 20:1-4 Wrote:1 God spoke all these words, to respond: 2 "I am the Lord, your God, Who took you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 You shall not have the gods of others in My presence. 4 You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness which is in the heavens above, which is on the earth below, or which is in the water beneath the earth.

We are obviously getting into the 10 Commandments now. But through what medium is God communicating these words? And to whom exactly? Chapter 19 ends with Moses going down the mountain to transmit God's words to the people. If chapter 20 begins with "God spoke all these words, to respond" is He there with Moses speaking to the people directly? Has Moses returned up the mountain, in which case "respond" might be interpreted as "followed up with Moses"? I probably don't need to point out the 1956 adaptation of this story in the movie "The Ten Commandments" in which Charlton Heston (as Moses) is seen at the top of the mountain receiving the commandments in the form of carvings in stone at God's hand which takes the form of a great arm of fire, but from what I understand, this adaptation fails in so many ways to be faithful to the actual text and is geared more towards entertainment than honoring the original story.

So once again, I fall back on biblegateway.com which doesn't add much except it omits the "to respond" leaving only "God spoke all these words". Does that help? Not really. It only states that at some point, in some context, God spoke those particular words.

So then I take a trip over to ChatGPT and it tells me that God is definitely speaking to the people directly. It also points out that in Exodus 20:18-19 "the people ask Moses to speak to God on their behalf because the direct encounter is overwhelming" which tells me I'm getting ahead of myself. It also says that the writing on stone tablets appears later in the text, the first mention of which is Exodus 24:12. I won't speculate further on this, but rather I will be patient and wait to see what later texts say on this question. I do ponder however whether Moses returning up the mountain to speak to God on behalf of the people (because of how overwhelming God's words were) is where the stone tablets come in. After all, bringing a set of stone tablets on which are written God's laws would be much less overwhelming to the people than God speaking directly to them.

ChatGPT

As for the commandments themselves, I think I'll go through them one by one and comment on each. Some of them seem pretty straight forward so I won't have much to say, but others raise some questions in my mind which I will pose below.

Exodus 20:3 Wrote:You shall not have the gods of others in My presence.

This is definitely a different wording from what I am used to. I am used to hearing the first commandment as "You shall not have any other gods before Me". Here, God seems to be saying "It's ok to have other gods (to worship? to follow?) just as long as you don't do so in my presence." or "...just as long as you don't bring them into my presence." I know that God is said to be omnipresent, so not having any other gods period seems like the only way to follow this commandment. But is this how the Israelites at the time thought of God? As omnipresent? Given the structures of their religious traditions and establishments at the time, it seems God can be more present under certain circumstances than others. For example, God is more present in the Holy of Holies than elsewhere (right?). God is more present the higher up the mountain one climbs than at its base.

biblegateway.com phrases this verse in the traditional way: no other gods before me. So that doesn't help.

Then at ChatGPT, an interesting (and alternate, at least to me) interpretation surfaces. It says that both translations mean the same thing. So how can "before me" mean the same as "in my presence" (which, according to ChatGPT, can also be rendered "upon My face")? The only way they can mean the same thing, in my estimation, is if "before me" is taken literally to mean "standing before me" or "brought before me" (as a subject might bring something before a king), and not "put ahead of me" or "treated as more important or more significant than me".

Now what could that mean? My guess is that at the time, like I said above, there were places where God was thought to be "more present" than at other places. So take the Holy of Holies, for example. Is God saying here that one must not bring other gods (literally or in the form of an idol, or something else) into the Holy of Holies? And likewise in other such places/contexts where God is more present?

This is my interpretation, not ChatGPT's. ChatGPT only made me think of it based on its claim that both renditions mean the same thing. So I imagined how "before Me" could be read as "in My presence" and I came up with the above. However, ChatGPT seems to want to steer the interpretation in the other direction, interpreting both to mean what we typically think it means here in the West--that one shall not worship other gods ahead of (as more important or significant than) God Himself. It concludes with this:

ChatGPT Wrote:Importantly, the meaning is the same across both renderings:
“You shall have no other gods before Me” = don’t worship any gods above or instead of the one true God.
“You shall not have other gods in My presence” emphasizes that in relation to God’s exclusive claim on you, there is no room for other gods.

...suggesting (I guess) that "my presence" means that God is always present with you so long as He has an exclusive claim on you (meaning, I suppose, that you are bound to the covenant). And so the creation of any graven image, especially to be worshipped or prostrated before, is, so long as you are bound to the covenantal relationship with God, to bring other gods into God's (with the capital G) presence.

ChatGPT

In any case, I hope others here can shed some light on this. I'll move on with the other commandments, hopefully without spilling out an entire novel like I just did here Big Grin.

Exodus 20:4 Wrote:You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness which is in the heavens above, which is on the earth below, or which is in the water beneath the earth.

I could chalk this up to not worshipping false idols as is the usual interpretation, and this probably wouldn't be wrong, but how did this become the official interpretation of this passage? The meaning seems evidently clear (even if you don't believe in waters beneath the Earth) except for "graven image". I think the exact interpretation of this commandment hinges on the meaning of "graven image". I don't think it could possibly mean any man-made object that's made to resemble something else (like a toy horse) even though it clearly stipulates that it encompasses far more than just graven images of God (a graven image... which is in the heavens... on the earth... or... in the water beneath) <-- So basically, anything in those 3 realms (even the Earth!) (And are we to assume that these 3 realms are all there is to existence? No 4th realm? No 5th?).

Biblegateway.com drops the "graven" part leaving just "image". So it is forbidden to create any image whatsoever of anything in the aforementioned realms. And if the aforementioned realms exhaust all of existence, it is forbidden to create images period. Yikes!

Google AI defines "graven image" as "a carved or sculpted idol, often made of wood, stone, or metal, that is worshipped as a representation of a deity..." So at least according to Google, worship and representation of a deity is baked into the definition of "graven" (which would include God Himself, so not even graven images of the God they're supposed to worship). Nonetheless, this passage is followed up with Exodus 20:5-6 which puts it into context explicitly:

Exodus 20:5-6 Wrote:You shall neither prostrate yourself before them nor worship them, for I, the Lord, your God, am a zealous God, Who visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons, upon the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me, 6 and [ I ] perform loving kindness to thousands [of generations], to those who love Me and to those who keep My commandments.

It's not clear whether verses 5 and 6 are "narrowing down" this commandment to "prostration" and "worship" specifically, which aligns closer with traditional interpretation, or is adding to verse 4. In the latter sense, one is not only forbidden from creating images (of anything) but one is especially forbidden from worshipping such images and prostrating one's self before them. But given God's follow up about how He is a zealous (not jealous?) God, it seems clear He is qualifying this commandment to things which would make Him zealous/jealous (namely, worship and prostration). So Google is probably correct about the meaning of "graven" (but in that case, my question is: if this is what "graven" means, why the need to expand on it to clarify that such images are not to be worshipped or prostrated before?).

Now, a couple observations:

1) I've never seen this passage use the word zealous as opposed to jealous (and I assume this is not a typo). The word "jealous" makes more sense to an unseasoned reader such as myself, whereas zealous (meaning passionate or enthusiastic or with fever) is harder to square with this passage. If God is simply saying He is jealous of when his Israelite children follow other gods, it makes sense why he would forbid them from worshipping or prostrating themselves before graven images. But zealous is much less clear. Why does God being zealous mean they shouldn't worship/prostrate themselves before graven images? One interpretation that occurs to me is that zealous as passionate might mean prone to emotions, and emotions of jealousy in particular.

Google AI once again sheds some light on this. It says, "Exodus 20:4 uses the Hebrew word qanna, which means God is a 'jealous' or 'zealous' God, implying intense, protective passion for His covenant relationship with His people, not petty envy." <-- So, very much aligned with my interpretation, except that the zeal God feels doesn't get narrowed down to jealousy (at least not according to the modern Western way of thinking of jealousy) but passionate and protective feeling towards the covenantal relationship binding His people to Himself.

2) It's interesting that this seems to be the only commandment that God thought warrants an explanation/justification. The 4th commandment (about the Sabbath) does the same, but not nearly to the extent that this one does. God could have phrased it as "You shall not make for yourself a graven image..." and left it like that. But instead, He follows it up with verses 5 and 6 explaining why one must not make any graven images. As noted above, this explanation adds some needed context to the commandment in order to make it clear in what sense one must not make any graven image (namely, to be worshipped or prostrated before), but why that explanation itself couldn't just be the commandment itself--as in "You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness [in Heaven, Earth, or the waters beneath] to be worshipped or prostrated before."--but as a follow up, God seems to want to make it clear that He is a zealous/jealous God, and that is the reason for this commandment. It's the only commandment, in other words, where God seems to want to reveal something about Himself, about His temperament, or the value He places on the covenantal relationship between Himself and His people, as a justification for the commandment. And this could answer my question about why the need for the expansion in verses 5 and 6 if it's already clear from the meaning of "graven" that such images are not to be worshipped or prostrated before--it's not that God wants to make clear the definition of "graven image" but to be up front with the Israelites that He is a zealous/jealous God.

And of course, there's the part about visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the 3rd and 4th generations of sons who hate Him. And also loving kindness to a thousand generations of sons to those who love Him and keep His commandments. Well, the rewards certainly outweigh the punishments, that's for sure. And do the 4 generations include the fathers, or is God talking about 4 generations of sons only, excluding the fathers? I think the fact that God cares to mention the 3rd and 4th generations of sons indicates that it includes the fathers, for in that case, this passage explicitly mentions all generations: "who visits the iniquity of the fathers [1st generation] upon the sons [2nd generation], upon the third [3rd generation] and the fourth [4th generation] of those who hate Me." If this passage was meant to exclude the fathers, then God skipped the 2nd generation and for no reason mentions the 3rd generation before mentioning the 4th generation (as opposed to saying "up to the 4th generation" without needing to mention the 3rd).

And what if the sons of the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th generation renounce their ties to the sins of their fathers? If their fathers worshipped idols, but they themselves refused to do so on account of this commandment, will God still see his punishment through to all 4 generations? I guess that's why this passage ends with "who hate Me." If a son (or even a father) learns to love God, rather than hate Him, then supposedly that son (or father) will follow this commandment, and thereby be redeemed in God's eyes even before the end of the 4th generation. And on that point, it's interesting that the thousand years of love depends on two conditions (that 1. one must love God, and 2. that one must keep His commandments) but the 4 generations of punishment depends only on hating God. It doesn't mention anything about violating God's commandments. Perhaps the author took it as obvious that if you hate God, you wouldn't respect His commandments (and visa-versa), so it goes without saying that one who hates God wouldn't follow His commandments (so why mention it in the text?). If that's the case, I guess this means that even when one loves God, one might still need to be told to keep the commandments as a demonstration of one's love for God. In other words, it isn't so obvious to puny humans that loving God also implies taking on a set of responsibilities, and God lists out those responsibilities as the 10 Commandments.

And is this statement on the part of God tied exclusively to the 2nd commandment or does it apply to all commandments? Or even beyond? It certainly seems clear that God will visit punishment up to the 4th generations of those who don't observe this commandment (and a thousand generations of love to those who do), but the phrasing "...to those who keep My commandments" (plural) suggests all commandments and not just this one. Which again makes this expansion on this particular commandment all the more strange. If this reward/punishment regimen applies to all commandments, why does God choose to mention it here and only here, in this 2nd commandment only? Why not as a commentary before or after enumerating all 10 Commandments?

Wow, it seems as I plow through the commandments, my commentary gets longer and longer. Let's see how far I can make it before I have to split this into several posts Big Grin.

Exodus 20:7 Wrote:You shall not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain, for the Lord will not hold blameless anyone who takes His name in vain.

Typically, this commandment is interpreted as don't use God's name as a curse word. And this may be part of this commandment, but from what I gathered from Jordan Peterson's Exodus, there is a deeper interpretation that goes like this: don't commit egregious or self-serving acts in the name of God (e.g. holy wars). <-- Is there any substance to this interpretation?

Over at biblegateway.com, the 3rd commandment is translated thus: "You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name." I think the word "misuse" captures both translations, and then some. Performing egregious or self-serving acts in God's name is certainly a misuse of His name, as is using God's name to swear. It might also include seemingly innocuous acts such as giving someone a gift on their birthday in God's name (i.e. I give you this gift because it's what God would want me to do). If it's something you would do anyway, or even something you would do because of a social obligation/expectation, you're not really doing it in God's name.

Exodus 20:8-11 Wrote:8 Remember the Sabbath day to sanctify it. 9 Six days may you work and perform all your labor, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord, your God; you shall perform no labor, neither you, your son, your daughter, your manservant, your maidservant, your beast, nor your stranger who is in your cities. 11 For [in] six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day. Therefore, the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it.

Six days of work and then a day of rest mirrors the six days of gathering manna and the seventh of resting from gathering manna. One might think this commandment is simply an instruction to continue this practice and make it a formal part of Israelite society, but verse 11 ties it back to the six days of creation and the 7th day of rest God took and blessed. One interpretation that ties it all together is that the Lord instructed them to gather manna for six days and to rest on the 7th also as a means of keeping aligned with the six days of creation and the 7th day of rest and sanctity (the sanctity of the 7th day may even be God's reason for not making manna fall from the sky--it was His day of rest--which suggests even God Himself observes this commandment). So both draw their origins from the 6 days of creation and the 7th day of rest and sanctity from Genesis.

I might even note that this short background on what the justification for this commandment is, like that of the 2nd, is rare for the commandments, though not nearly as elaborate as the 2nd.

And it certainly seems that no one--no one--is to work on the Sabbath--not even the beasts and the strangers in the cities. The beasts, I can understand. The beasts wouldn't work unless their owners put them to work, which means their owners would be working. But the stranger in your city? What if he didn't get the memo? Is he instructed not to work on the Sabbath before he enters? What if he comes from a different land where they have different customs? Is it a "when in Rome" sort of thing? And why would it matter if the stranger works? Isn't this a commandment for the Israelites only? Or is it more a matter of the place the stranger is in? As in, if he works on the Sabbath in one of the cities in the land of Israel, that defiles the city as a holy place? On a surface reading, it seems this commandment is to ensure, besides the obvious intent of honoring the holiness of this day, that one gets sufficient rest after a week's worth of work (the Lord rested on the 7th day). This would even explain why the beasts are to rest, but not the stranger. Is God just as concerned for the stranger's need for rest as He is His chosen people?

I asked ChatGPT about this (here) and the response was interesting. To summarize, it said "By commanding rest for servants, animals, and foreigners, Israel is required to act as the opposite of Pharaoh. No one under your authority is allowed to live as a slave, even temporarily." This isn't so clear from verse 11 but ChatGPT also cites Deuteronomy 5:15: "And you shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord your God took you out from there with a strong hand and with an outstretched arm; therefore, the Lord, your God, commanded you to observe the Sabbath day." Now, this may be splitting hairs, but this interpretation suggests that the stranger shall not be forced to work on the Sabbath, but not that he shall be prevented from working. Also, why this should apply only to strangers in the cities (as opposed to the country side or on the farm) isn't quite explained by this interpretation either.

So once again, I consulted ChatGPT, which had the following points to say: 1) "So the 'prevention' is not an added idea—it is the mechanism by which the command is fulfilled." In other words, by preventing the stranger from working on the Sabbath (as opposed to merely not forcing him to work), it ensures that no work is done. And I suppose the idea is that it's better to force the stranger not to work than to force the strange to work (as a slave). <-- A bit of a weak argument in my opinion, but then ChatGPT has more to say: 2) "'Within your gates' = legal jurisdiction, not moral instruction" (the translation ChatGPT quotes says "gates" instead of "cities" which it in turn translates as a domain of legal jurisdiction). <-- This explains why the commandment doesn't apply to strangers outside the cities (or the gates)--that literally means beyond the jurisdiction of Israelite law. And finally, 3) "The commandment ensures that no one profits from another’s labor on God’s day, even if that labor is self-chosen." <-- This interpretation suggests that by "work" (or "labor"), what the 4th commandment really means is paid work (or labor)--as in, working at your job. By allowing the stranger to work on the Sabbath, it pulls the employer into a business engagement with the stranger in which he must pay the stranger for his work, and this obviously corrupts the purpose of the Sabbath. It does, however, raise the question of voluntary unpaid work. I suppose if the stranger were to work voluntarily, it would be for himself and perhaps be driven by some kind of inspiration or creative force that, by some interpretations, might be considered God working through him (as Christians might call it, the "holy spirit"). <-- Would that be in alignment with the purpose of the Sabbath?

Apparently not. According to the same ChatGPT discussion linked to above, creative or inspired activities, even on the part of the stranger, is a clear example of what's forbidden by this commandment. At this point, I will leave these questions alone and move on.


Exodus 20:12 Wrote:Honor your father and your mother, in order that your days be lengthened on the land that the Lord, your God, is giving you.

So 2 questions on this commandment:

1) What is the exact translation of "honor"? I didn't ask ChatGPT about this one, but I did google it, and google summoned up Gemini, it's own AI assistant, which said: "'honor' means to give weight, respect, reverence, obedience, and support, recognizing parents' God-given authority and importance, involving care, gratitude, and maintaining dignity, even if parents are imperfect, but always prioritizing God's commands" So "honoring" one's parents means:

* Giving them weight (taking them with all due seriousness and importance).

* Respect (treating them as authoritative and worthy of one's attention).

* Reverence (kind of the same as respect except on an emotional level, recognizing their closeness to God relative to one's self).

* Obedience (following their instruction and teaching; Gemini emphasizes that the exception to this is when such instruction and teaching goes against God's law).

* Support (caring for them especially in old age).

In other words, treating your parents as any child is expected to treat his/her parents. Common sense.

2) How does honoring one's parents result in one's days being lengthened on the land that God has given one? Instead of consulting ChatGPT on this one, I'll refer back to Jordan Peterson's Exodus. I may be butchering this translation, but I recall the discussion emphasized how following this commandment encourages it throughout the whole community, making it a cultural tradition, which means the odds that it will be followed when you are old and grey and need the support and care of your own children will be higher than if you didn't follow this commandment. Nothing lengthens one's days like the care and support of one's children. And does it have to be on the land that God has given one? Well, I think this speaks more to community than the literal land on which one lives. I imagine one honoring one's mother and father on the land of Israel, and then when one grows up, one gets married and moves to a different land. On that foreign land, one has children, and the children grow up and fail to uphold this commandment. Why? Because they are not surrounded by the community of Israelites that encourage and foster the observance of this commandment and serve as examples. If no one is around to enforce this commandment (or at least explain why it's important), the children are far less likely to obey it.

Exodus 20:13 Wrote:You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Wow, talk about jamming commandments together into one concise verse! We have 4 commandments here for the price of one verse! Big Grin What's even more interesting is that biblegateway.com splits each commandment into it's own verse. So whereas chabad.org crams them all into verse 13, biblegateway.com expands them over verses 13 to 16. This tells me that different biblical translations don't only translate the original Hebrew differently, but take license to structure the verses of each chapter according to whatever scheme they see fit. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but it does mean one has to be careful when citing scripture. Does Exodus 20:14, for example, refer to the 7th commandment (as at biblegateway.com) or the 10th commandment (as at chabad.org)?

Anyway, I suppose cramming them together is warranted since they are pretty much cut and dry, straight forward without too much ambiguity. Don't commit murder. Don't commit adultery. Don't steal. And don't bear false witness (don't lie) against one's neighbor.

But of course, trust me to find the ambiguity and draw it out, which I will do now. Thou shalt not murder is pretty unambiguous, but what about Thou shalt not commit adultery? What does adultery mean? According to Gemini (i.e. my google search), adultery is "sexual intimacy between a married person and someone other than their spouse, violating the marriage covenant as a serious sin against God, the spouse, and the sacred bond of marriage, extending even to lustful thoughts, and breaking the Seventh Commandment." My first thought is that adultery, according to this interpretation, is to be contrasted with fornication (sex outside marriage). And who is the guilty party in cases of adultery? The married person only? Or both participants? And if both participants are married, have they committed "double" adultery? Once for the case of cheating on their spouse, and once more for violating the marriage of their sexual partner?

The part about extending even to lustful thoughts is intriguing, suggesting that one must exercise some serious discipline over one's desires and thoughts if one is to obey this commandments. However, if I recall correctly, a different interpretation is offered in one of the episodes of Jordan Peterson's Exodus in which Denis Prager, a Jewish radio talk show host, explains that the "mental" part of this commandment is not so much about thinking adulterous thoughts but intending adultery with one's thoughts. So if the thought of sleeping with someone else's spouse passes through your mind, don't worry about it (but don't fixate on it either). But if one intends or plans on committing adultery, one might as well already be guilty of adultery? <-- I'll add that if this is the correct interpretation, it *should* apply to pretty much all commandments. Why would intending to commit adultery count as just as much as violation of this commandment as actually committing it if intending to murder, for example, doesn't? But then again, could the same be said of simply allowing the thought to pass through one's mind? Could simply thinking of murder (in a moment of rage, let's say) count as just as much a violation of the 8th commandment as committing murder? Geez, I hope not.

Then there's bearing false witness against one's neighbor. Typically, this is translated as Thou shalt not lie. But the phrasing here seems a lot more narrow. It seems to be describing a legal situation in which one is brought in to testify against an accused about some incriminating evidence that one has not actually witnessed even though one claims to have witnessed it. So unless it involves a court case, lying in itself (say, for example, to your employer about how many hours you worked) is not a violation of this commandment. But then when I consult Gemini via Google, I get this: "...you must not lie or give untrue testimony to harm someone, applying specifically to court settings but broadly to all forms of slander, gossip, and spreading falsehoods that damage another's reputation, character, or well-being, emphasizing truthfulness as a core moral duty." It's the "broadly" part that adds some grey area to this, and moreover only in the case of damaging another's reputation, character, or well-being. So lying about the hours you worked might not count under this commandment since it doesn't (not directly at least) damage anyone's reputation, character, or well-being. And I must remember, these commandments are meant to establish a society, to ground it on a set of laws and structure its operations such as to create social cohesion and harmony. In other words, it is inevitable that this commandment will figure prominently not only in a court of law but any social institution that must function properly in order to see the society through to this state of cohesion and harmony. If lying harms a person's social reputation, character, or well-being in the context of any of these social institutions or contexts, it damages the functioning of society in general, its cohesion and harmony. So where is the line drawn? Where does this commandment apply and where does it not apply? Well, it seems obvious it applies in court cases, and according to Gemini, it also applies to social institutions and a well functioning society overall, but what about the case of, let's say, lying in a game of cards, or something recreational. What about lying to one's spouse about one's not-so-flattering opinion of one's mother-in-law? Does this commandment cover these kinds of lies?

And how is one to interpret "neighbor"? It seems obvious it implies more than just the person who lives a few houses down, as a modern day reader might interpret it. The interpretation that makes the most sense to me is: anyone who is a member of one's community, or one's society at large. That is the only way such a commandment can, when followed, achieve it's goal of forming a well functioning society. The Gemini interpretation translates "neighbor" to "someone" (as in, to harm someone) and "another's" (as in, another's reputation). So basically, anyone in the community or society. And when I explicitly ask Gemini about the meaning of "neighbor" it more or less concurs with this, even bringing in Jesus's interpretation that "neighbor" is universal, covering any other human being whomsoever.

Exodus 20:14 Wrote:You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, his manservant, his maidservant, his ox, his donkey, or whatever belongs to your neighbor."

If there is any ambiguity to this commandment, it would revolve around the word "covet" and what it means (other than that, it's pretty straight forward). Covet is colloquially understood to mean desire or want--in a sort of jealous or resentful way--so one often interprets this commandment to mean be content with what you have. However, some might say this makes it an unreasonable commandment to bear as we've all desired or been jealous of the things our neighbor had and turning off this desire/jealousy is no easy task. But Dennis Prager, a Jewish radio show host, tells us (in Jordan Peterson's Exodus) that to covet must be distinguished from desiring the same kinds of things your neighbor has (as in, I want a house just like that) as it specifically means to want your neighbor's house (I wish my neighbor's house belonged to me instead). This tells us something about coveting--namely, that it is more than just wanting what your neighbor has, but to wish your neighbor didn't have it--a sort of petty resentment towards your neighbor for having something you don't; if it were just a desire for what your neighbor has, then having a similar thing for yourself so that your neighbor can keep his would satisfy; but if the only way to quench coveting is to take it from your neighbor, this tells us that coveting is more about a sort of spitefulness or resentment towards your neighbor rather than the desire for his possessions. Prager also tells us that in order for it to be coveting, one must actually intend on taking the thing from one's neighbor, or at least be predisposed to taking it should the opportunity arise. So again, it's not just about the desire, but how one regards one's neighbor to the extent that it clouds one's judgment as to what is an acceptable way to treat one's neighbor. This, in my opinion, removes some of the burden of observing this commandment as it speaks more towards one's attitude and actions towards one's neighbor, rather than one's feelings and desires which often cannot be helped.

Those are the Commandments, but the chapter doesn't end there. It continues with Exodus 20:15-18:

Exodus 20:15-18 Wrote:15 And all the people saw the voices and the torches, the sound of the shofar, and the smoking mountain, and the people saw and trembled; so they stood from afar. 16 They said to Moses, "You speak with us, and we will hear, but let God not speak with us lest we die." 17 But Moses said to the people, "Fear not, for God has come in order to exalt you, and in order that His awe shall be upon your faces, so that you shall not sin." 18 The people remained far off, but Moses drew near to the opaque darkness, where God was.

What an incredible experience that must have been--to witness God Himself speaking directly to them--so much that they can't bear it and plead with Moses to tell God to (so to speak) back off. My first impression is that the sight (or sound, or both) of God is too powerful for the people, so much so that they feel they could "die". But based on Moses' response--that God has come to exalt them and so that his awe upon their faces will prevent them from sinning--makes me wonder if it's more a matter of guilt than too much power--that is, the people are too sinful to withstand being in the presence of the purity of God, and they know it all too painfully. This is why Moses can draw nearer to God in the opaque darkness whereas the people recoil in timidity. If it were just a matter of God's power or awesomeness, I see no reason Moses would be any more impervious--he's just as human as they are, after all--but in terms of his goodness or moral purity, he is obvious far beyond the people and therefore does not feel the pain of guilt when in God's presence.

Exodus 20:20-23 Wrote:You shall not make [images of anything that is] with Me. Gods of silver or gods of gold you shall not make for yourselves. 21 An altar of earth you shall make for Me, and you shall slaughter beside it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your cattle. Wherever I allow My name to be mentioned, I will come to you and bless you. 22 And when you make for Me an altar of stones, you shall not build them of hewn stones, lest you wield your sword upon it and desecrate it. 23 And you shall not ascend with steps upon My altar, so that your nakedness shall not be exposed upon it.' "

What a strange way to end a chapter focused on the 10 Commandments. God goes into great detail instructing His people how to build alters and how to approach them. But why follow up the 10 Commandments with this? Reading ahead to the next few chapters, it seems this is just the start a long list of very specific and detailed rules/laws the Israelites are to follow. How do these relate to the 10 Commandments? Are they like bylaws or ordinances that fall under the more general rubric of the 10 Commandments? And to think about it, why do we consider the first 10 such laws to stand apart from these more specific ones that follow? We call them the "10 Commandments" but in the original Hebrew, were they numbered? They certainly aren't numbered in the Chabad or BibleGateway translations. So is there any reason to assume a discontinuity between the first 10 and the rest that follow?

Well, I can think of a couple reasons. First of all, verses 15 to 18 seem to take a break from God's unveiling of His laws to the people in order to see the people's reaction (so there's a gap here). Second, without reading ahead, I assume that, unlike all the minutia to follow in the next handful of chapters, the 10 Commandments are to be written on stone tablets, making them in a sense "special" compared to the former. And I also want to take a step back and think about this in the context of how records and stories of this sort were structured in these times. A modern day writer, for example, might think it makes sense to end the chapter after, say, verse 18, and then start the next chapter with verse 19, establishing a clean separation between the 10 Commandments themselves and the more detailed laws/rules that are to follow. But the writers of the Exodus (Moses, if I'm not mistaken) seem to be taking a different approach--that of reaching a certain, I guess, "reasonable" volume of content before moving on to the next chapter--as if ending it at verse 14 would have been too short and including the entirety of all the more detailed and specific rules/laws would have made it too long--so he decided to tack on just the bit about constructing alters before closing chapter 20... Maybe. Just a thought.

Anyway, delving into the verses 20 to 23 themselves, there's a lot of unpack here. God begins, for some reason, by reiterating the 2nd commandment--that of no graven images--before giving instructions on how to build an alter. And when you think about it, this actually does make sense. God is simply saying here, "Now, I know I said no graven images, but here's what you can do..."--you know, just to distinguish building idols before which one worships and offers sacrifice from building alters before which one worships and offers sacrifice. He lists specifically gods of silver and gods of gold, but I take this not to be a limiting parameter but just an example of what not to build. That the people are to build an alter of earth (dirt, I presume) sounds as if the Israelites are following a nature god here, but I think verse 22 adds a bit of context--that they can build an alter of stone but not hewn stone (artificially smoothed or carved stoned such as your marble counter top) "lest you wield your sword upon it and desecrate it"; here it sounds like God is saying that your alters must preserve their natural rugged look--anything obviously artificial or man-made risks being blemished or looking defected (anyone who owns a house and has kids knows what I'm talking about). Does this make God a "nature god"? Maybe. If I were to interpret (which is basically all I'm doing here), I'd say God is trying to "stay real". Unlike the Egyptians, God wants the people of Israel to stay as attached to reality as possible, meaning no artificial or "fake" structures that posture as more magnanimous than they really are (I'm reminded of the saying "the bigger they are, the harder they fall"--the more lavish and pristine you make your alter, the more the falsity of this lavishness and pristineness shows through with the slightest blemish or scuff mark); God seems to be saying that if you keep it natural, it remains impervious to bumps and dents because, well, that's nature--any bumps or dents it incurs just add to its natural look, keeping it connected with the real. So, in a sense, yes, I guess, God is showing His "nature god" side. But what else would you expect from a god that created the Heavens and the Earth, all of reality? Of course, He's a nature god, and it is my interpretation that these instructions to keep one's alters "natural" is a way to keep the Israelites away from artificial (fake) things and closer to reality itself.

Moving on with the rest of this passage, what is the meaning of "Wherever I allow My name to be mentioned, I will come to you and bless you"? Where are these places where God allows is name to be mentioned? And bless you for what? Just for being in those places? Or for mentioning His name in these places? Or something else? It seems obvious that it is linked with building alters but the details of its meaning could use some fleshing out. Is God saying anywhere you build an alter (according to My specifications), you may mention my name? Or are there designated places where God's name can be mentioned (like the Tabernacle?) and other places where it can't, and so long as you build your alter in the former places, you will be blessed? Or you will be blessed in response to worshipping and sacrificing at those alters? BibleGateway.com renders this passage as follows: Wherever I cause my name to be honored, I will come to you and bless you. Causing one's name to be honored is certainly different from allowing one's name to be mentioned, but in this case, I find no further clarity in its relevance to alter building and worshipping/sacrificing (I will save a ChatGPT discuss for another post). One note I will end on is that I realize God's name is not only commonly obscured but in some circles forbidden to be spoken. I've seen many on this forum, in fact, refer to God as G_d and I assume this reflects this practice. (I hope I can be forgiven for so crassly using the word "God" but my background is not not Judaism or Christianity--I'm not even religious in any denominational sense--so I'm used to using the word "God" as simply a practical word for talking about our Creator; I mean no offense in my use of it, and I hope that if it does cause offense, someone here will let me know and suggest better alternatives.) So this passage makes total sense; if God's name is so sacred (so much that it warranted the 3rd Commandment... maybe?), it would make sense that God would allow or disallow its utterance in particular places or circumstances. But where these places and what these circumstances is what I'm asking here.

And finally, verse 23: "And you shall not ascend with steps upon My altar, so that your nakedness shall not be exposed upon it." What is God saying here? That one shall not build steps up to His alter? Or that one shall not ascend the steps (if there are any) to His alter? If the latter, what would the steps be for if not to ascend them? Or maybe the verse is intended to be read as a whole, including the "your nakedness shall not be exposed" part. Is God saying "Don't walk up the steps to My alter naked"? <-- That makes the most sense of all, but let's see what BibleGateway.com has to say: "And do not go up to my altar on steps, or your private parts may be exposed." As in, if you climb the steps to the alter, people will be able to see up your garments? I think this would be a faux pas for any steps, assuming the common dress code amongst the Israelites at the time was to wear loose fitting robes with nothing underneath. Or perhaps those who performed specific rituals or ceremonies that required ascending steps to the alter were required to wear potentially "exposing" garments (as sort of the formal clergical dress code). And again, I must ask: how else is one to get up to the alter if it has steps? Or is this verse saying: don't build steps up to your alter; save yourself the embarrassment of exposing yourself. This too I will research further with ChatGPT, but I'll save that for a later post. For now, I'll just point out that "exposing one's self", even inadvertently, must have been more than an inconvenient embarrassment but an offense to God such that He saw it fit to make a rule/law prohibiting it.

Well, that's it--Exodus 20! This is by far my longest post on a single chapter of Exodus! And it might be no wonder as the 10 Commandments figures as one of the central, most significant, and most common pivots in the entire story--so there is a lot to say. On a more practical note, I want to ask readers: what do you think of modern society having not one, but two, days out of the week to celebrate the Sabbath and focus on that which is sacred and holy? There are many reasons we adopted the two day weekend, but one major reason is to accommodate the two main religions of Western culture: Judaism (whose sacred day is traditionally recognized on Saturday) and Christianity (whose day is Sunday). If Jews consider Saturday to be the Sabbath, what do they do on Sunday? The commandment to honor the Sabbath only says to honor the Sabbath, but not that one must work every other day of the week. Is it considered a sin, therefore, to take the odd Sunday off and just relax (or even focus on scripture)? I wouldn't think so. But another question this raises is: if the Jewish community generally recognized Saturday as the Sabbath, do they think the Christians have it wrong by considering Sunday to be the Sabbath? And for that matter, does it matter which day of the week is the Sabbath? Could the Jewish community, hypothetically, agree one day to switch the Sabbath from Saturday to (let's just say) Wednesday? Could an individual Jew go against the grain and decide that, just for him/herself, he/she will take Wednesday as the Sabbath? I mean, I can't imagine it's easy to trace our current Saturdays definitively all the way back to the day of the week the Israelites who originally inherited the 10 Commandments recognized as the Sabbath (let alone the day on which God rested after creation). How do we know Saturday is the right day? And does it matter? When God commanded that the Sabbath be recognized and kept holy, was He thinking a specific day of the week, or just one day, any day, so long as it repeats every 7 days? How certain are Jews today that Saturday is indeed a multiple of seven days since the original Sabbath? And does it matter? Do they look at Christians like they've got it wrong? Or do they raise their arms and say "Who knows?! At least we're both taking one day out of seven to focus on God and the spiritual life"?

Well, would you look at that! As lengthy as this post is, I managed to fit it all into one, avoiding the need to split it into two posts. I'm proud of myself (and grateful to TheHebrewCafe for allowing such a large character limit   Tongue ). And I promise most of my posts won't be nearly as long. And now I will shut up so as not to make it longer.

* An interesting discussion about how useful ChatGPT is for interpreting scripture can he found here. Note that my use of it is not to answer questions on scriptural interpretation as objective fact (like it has the final say on all questions scriptural) but to help my imagination to come up with interpretations of difficult passages. Always feel free to point out when ChatGPT, or any AI I might use, has steered me wrong.

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  Mitochondrial DNA, Cultural Continuity, and the Role of Jewish Women in the Evolution
Posted by: RoBoR - 01-02-2026, 05:13 PM - Forum: Judaism General - No Replies

Abstract
Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), inherited through the maternal line, constitutes a stable biogenetic marker widely used in the study of ethnogenesis, demographic history, and mechanisms of cultural continuity. In Jewish tradition, the maternal line possesses a normatively закреплённый status, as communal affiliation is determined through the mother. This creates a unique situation in which the biological mechanism of inheritance coincides with the religious-legal structure of identity.
This paper examines the historical dynamics of mitochondrial haplogroups in Jewish populations from the Bronze Age to the present, with particular attention to haplogroups K and N1b. It is shown that their long-term dominance cannot be explained solely by demographic processes and instead reflects the result of a synergy between founder effects, endogamy, and directed cultural selection.
Special attention is given to the role of Jewish women as carriers of mitochondrial lineages, key agents of early cognitive and emotional socialization, and systemic factors in the reproduction of intellectual, economic, and political elites. Within this model, Judaism is interpreted as a long-acting cognitive environment in which mtDNA, the symbolic-linguistic structure of the Torah, and family practices together form a unified cultural-genetic contour that has exerted a disproportionate influence on the development of the institutions of reason in human civilization.


1. Introduction
Mitochondrial DNA is inherited maternally with minimal recombination, making it one of the most reliable markers of deep population history. In population genetics, mtDNA is traditionally used to reconstruct migration processes and demographic shifts. However, in cultures with normatively fixed maternal continuity, its significance extends beyond purely biological analysis.
Jewish tradition represents a rare case in which the biological mechanism of mitochondrial inheritance coincides with a religious-legal norm defining communal belonging. As a result, mtDNA acquires the function of a biological anchor of cultural stability, allowing it to be considered an element of a long-term system of identity reproduction.
The aim of this study is to demonstrate that the stability of mitochondrial lineages among Jews and the dominance of haplogroups K and N1b arise from prolonged interaction between biological, cognitive, and cultural factors, with the central role played by women as carriers and transmitters of these structures.

2. Distribution of Mitochondrial DNA among Jews Across Historical Periods
2.1. The Bronze Age (c. 3000–1200 BCE)
Prior to the formation of Jewish ethnic identity, populations of the Levant were characterized by the prevalence of mitochondrial haplogroups J, T, HV, U, and H. Women in the region exhibited substantial genetic diversity, part of which was later incorporated into the proto-Jewish maternal population. The estimated contribution of Near Eastern origin was approximately 70–80%.
This period established the initial genetic matrix against which the later selective fixation of a limited number of mitochondrial lineages became apparent.
2.2. The Iron Age (1200–500 BCE)
During the formation of early Jewish ethnicity, the first stable combinations of mitochondrial lineages associated with Jewish populations appear. These include J1, H, T2, and early forms of haplogroup K. Approximately 30% of maternal lineages show links to the Anatolian–Black Sea region, reflecting migration processes and cultural contacts.
At this stage, selective restriction of maternal lineages emerges in connection with the development of ethnoreligious identity.
2.3. The Second Temple Period and the Formation of the Diaspora (500 BCE – 1000 CE)
The Second Temple period is critical for understanding the contemporary structure of Jewish mitochondrial DNA. Distinctions between Ashkenazi and Sephardic groups become established. Genetic studies indicate a substantial contribution of European mitochondrial lineages to the Ashkenazi population, associated with the incorporation of local women into the community while preserving religious and cultural identity.
This fact underscores the priority of cultural integration over biological origin: new maternal lineages were incorporated into a stable cultural-genetic contour.
2.4. The Middle Ages (1000–1800 CE)
The medieval period is characterized by high endogamy and pronounced bottleneck effects. During this time, dominant mitochondrial lineages such as K1a1b1a, N1b1, H7, and J1c become fixed. Overall mitochondrial diversity decreases significantly, and the maternal line assumes the function of a stabilizing mechanism.
2.5. Modernity (19th–21st centuries)
Despite increased migration and intermarriage, Orthodox and traditional Jewish communities maintain high frequencies of haplogroups K and N1b, indicating the persistence of the cultural-genetic contour under conditions of global demographic openness.

3. Evolutionary Dynamics of Mitochondrial Haplogroup Frequencies
Table 1. Dynamics of Dominant Mitochondrial Haplogroups among Jews (Simplified Model)
Historical Period
Main Haplogroups
Frequency of K
Frequency of N1bBronze Age
J, T, H, U, HV
~0%
~0%
Iron Age
J1, T2, H, early K
<5%
<1%
Second Temple
H, K, T2, J, N1
~10%
~3%
Early Diaspora
K1, N1b, H7
25–30%
6–8%
Middle Ages
K1a1b1a, N1b1
30–32%
8–10%
Modernity
K, N1b, H, J
25–30%
8–10%
The table reflects a long-term tendency toward stabilization of a limited number of mitochondrial lineages, a pattern difficult to explain solely through random demographic processes without invoking cultural selection.

4. Cultural-Genetic Mechanisms and the Role of Jewish Women
4.1. Judaism as a System of Directed Cognitive Selection
Judaism forms a stable cultural environment oriented not toward ecstatic practices but toward continuous cognitive activity. The study of the Torah and its extensive commentary tradition creates constant demands on abstract thinking, memory, interpretation, and linguistic precision.
The central role of the Torah as a canonical text generates a cognitively demanding environment that does not enact direct biological selection but instead creates stable cultural attractors within which specific neurocognitive and emotional-regulatory patterns exhibit increased stability and reproducibility.
4.2. The Concept of the “Chosen People” as a Functional Cognitive Niche
Within the present model, “chosenness” is interpreted not as a claim of superiority but as the fixation of a narrow cognitive-economic specialization. Historical restrictions and persecutions enhanced the importance of intellectual adaptation, legal reasoning, and the ability to operate with abstract structures.
4.3. mtDNA, Endogamy, and Intuitive Mate Selection
Mitochondrial DNA influences neuronal energy metabolism and processes of emotional regulation. In endogamous environments, these features may manifest as intuitive mate selection favoring partners with similar psychoemotional and cognitive characteristics.
4.4. Women as Stabilizers of the Cultural-Genetic Contour
Jewish women transmit not only mitochondrial DNA but also foundational models of attitudes toward knowledge, time, law, and abstract values. They shape the cognitive and emotional basis upon which subsequent social, economic, and political activity is built.
4.5. The Role of Jewish Women in Politics and Economics (Indirect Mechanism)
Historically, the political and economic influence of Jewish women has been realized primarily not through formal institutions of power but through the reproduction of the cognitive and motivational structures of managerial elites. In this system, women function as architects of emotional stability and intellectual resilience among leaders.
Historical material from the twentieth century provides illustrative examples of this mechanism. During the revolutionary and early Soviet periods, marital unions of key political figures often included women of Jewish origin who were actively involved in the organizational, cultural, and emotional infrastructure of power (e.g., Polina Zhemchuzhina, wife of V. M. Molotov; Olga Kameneva, a cultural and organizational actor). A contrasting case is the marriage of J. V. Stalin to N. Alliluyeva, whose early death was followed by a marked intensification of rigidity and repressiveness in Stalin’s governing style, underscoring the importance of stable emotional-cognitive partnership for the functioning of power.

5. Biogenetic Foundations of Cognitive Specialization
5.1. Haplogroup K
Haplogroup K is associated with efficient mitochondrial energetics and cognitive flexibility, conferring adaptive advantages under conditions of sustained intellectual load.
5.2. Haplogroup N1b
Haplogroup N1b reflects a founder effect and is associated with long-term stability of cognitive and emotional strategies.
5.3. The Linguistic Structure of the Torah as a Selection Contour
The linguistic structure of the Torah functions as a long-acting neurolinguistic training system that reinforces the reproduction of compatible cognitive patterns.

6. Mechanisms of Inclusion and Reproduction of Maternal Lineages in Society
6.1. Conversion as a Temporary Deviation Rather than a Rule
Within the proposed model, conversion is understood not as a mechanism for the stable transformation of the genetic structure of the Jewish ethnos, but as a temporary inclusion of external mitochondrial lineages into its population contour. Formal conversion provides religious-legal entry into the community but does not equate to long-term fixation of the corresponding mtDNA within the reproductive core of the ethnos.
Empirical data and population-genetic reconstructions indicate that mitochondrial lineages introduced through conversion typically do not demonstrate long-term reproductive stability within the central layers of the community. Over several generations, such lineages are gradually displaced through marital and reproductive strategies characteristic of traditional Jewish communities.
The key mechanism underlying this process is not institutional exclusion but subconscious gender selection. Men deeply embedded in the intellectual environment of Torah study tend to select partners whose psychoemotional and cognitive characteristics are statistically more compatible with the demands of this cultural-cognitive milieu. These characteristics correlate at higher frequencies with mitochondrial lineages historically established within the Jewish population.
Thus, conversion functions as a temporary cultural expansion of the community and does not lead to long-term alteration of its mitochondrial core. Ethnic stability is maintained through the preservation of dominant maternal lineages fixed through prolonged endogamy and directed cultural selection.
6.2. Women as a Hidden Factor of Elites
A similar mechanism is observed in the marital unions of political and economic elites across different societies and can be described as a consequence of biogenetic differences in mitochondrial energetics. Wives of politicians, managers, and major economic actors often perform the role of emotional stabilizers and energetic resources, ensuring resilience under sustained intellectual and managerial load.
In cases where wives originate from established Jewish traditions or possess psychoemotional and cognitive characteristics typologically corresponding to mitochondrial lineages of the Jewish type, this effect manifests with particular clarity. In this context, Jewish-type mtDNA is considered a factor providing enhanced energetic efficiency, stability of prolonged cognitive processing, and emotional regulation—features critically important for supporting leaders operating under conditions of high emotional load.
Accordingly, the influence of the wives of political and economic leaders on societal evolution is realized not through formal institutions of power but through the formation of the energetic, emotional, and cognitive foundations of managerial activity. This concerns the role of women carrying Jewish-type mitochondrial lineages as a stable evolutionary resource supporting sustained intellectual and managerial demands within elite social strata.

7. Conclusion
The stability of mitochondrial lineages among Jews results from the synergy of biological, cultural, and cognitive mechanisms. Haplogroups K and N1b function as elements of a cultural-genetic contour centered on Jewish women as carriers of mitochondrial DNA and architects of early cognitive socialization.
The political and economic influence of this system is realized not through formal domination but through the long-term reproduction of intellectual, emotional, and managerial elites. A key role in this process is played by women as emotional and motivational drivers determining the resilience, orientation, and endurance of leaders’ activity.
Historical and sociological observations point to the recurrence of marital unions in which the wives of political and economic leaders possess psychoemotional and cognitive characteristics typologically aligned with mitochondrial profiles historically established within the Jewish population. This phenomenon is interpreted not as a direct genetic rule but as a manifestation of stable mechanisms of emotional-cognitive compatibility essential for the functioning and resilience of managerial elites.
Thus, the contribution of Jewish women to the development of political and economic institutions is expressed not through direct participation in power but through the formation of the emotional-cognitive foundation upon which the activity of managerial elites is built. This allows one to speak of a disproportionate yet structurally concealed influence of Jewish maternal lineages on the evolution of reason and the institutional forms of human civilization.

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  Happy New Year 2026!
Posted by: BlueBird2 - 12-31-2025, 11:26 PM - Forum: Hangout - Replies (2)

May this new year bring you all health, blessings, and satisfaction!

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  Fascism and Democracy: Two Different Social Environments
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  Confrontation between the Buddhist and Abrahamic paradigms
Posted by: RoBoR - 12-20-2025, 08:37 PM - Forum: World Religion - Replies (2)

Two fundamental religious paradigms coexist: the Abrahamic and the Buddhist. Each develops and sustains its own mechanisms of genetic–emotional selection, ensuring the development of specialized modes of thought in humans at the genomic level. The organization of these processes is based on genetically fixed segregation in gender selection, which corresponds to the general strategy of the evolution of Mind. Differences in the fundamental emotional configurations (the emotions of Mind) embedded in these paradigms give rise to global conflicts, including world wars.

This article proposes a philosophical and scientific analysis of these paradigms on a supragenetic basis and points to the necessity of developing a meta-ideology grounded in universal emotions of Mind as a universal mechanism for the evolution of Mind on Earth.
Genetic–emotional selection refers to the statistical fixation of emotional configurations within a population through stable mechanisms of social selection, spiritual practices, and gender segregation. These processes operate at a supramolecular emotional level, determining an individual’s capacity to preserve the emotions of Mind.
The confrontation between the Buddhist and Abrahamic systems is a consequence of competition between two models of emotional–genetic selection of Mind.
The ESGTRV model demonstrates that paradigms are not cultural constructs but rather forms of fixation of the emotions of Mind within the genome.
Introductory theoretical foundations
Within the ESGTRV framework, religious systems are regarded as mechanisms for the formation and reinforcement of emotional configurations of Mind. These systems operate supragenetically, influencing the structure of humanity’s emotional field and shaping long-term cognitive specializations. Against this background, the opposition between two global paradigms that have determined the evolution of civilization is of particular significance.
Dichotomy of religious paradigms
This analysis does not aim to evaluate or criticize spiritual traditions. It considers the Abrahamic and Buddhist systems as supra-organismic mechanisms for the selection of emotional structures of Mind, shaping different types of thinking and different trajectories of civilizational evolution.
World history attests to the existence of two stable forms of religious goal-setting. Each is oriented toward the specialization of thought through the consolidation and selection of emotional genomic configurations:

  • the Abrahamic paradigm, represented by Judaism, Christianity, and Islam;
  • the Buddhist paradigm, formed on the basis of Indian philosophy and the Tibetan school.
Both systems seek the development of Mind within human civilization, but they employ different mechanisms of social and emotional segregation, which leads to their civilizational divergence and competition.
The Abrahamic system: centralized selection of Mind
In Abrahamic societies, the selection of emotional and cognitive structures is carried out through state secrecy, religious control, and gender restrictions. These mechanisms ensure the stabilization of psychological specializations:
  • Judaism forms emotional associations linked to knowledge and analysis;
  • Christianity develops emotional–cognitive structures of modeling and systems thinking;
  • Islam strengthens emotional structures of self-realization, discipline, and the pursuit of life’s meaning.
It is important to emphasize that emotional–genetic selection does not imply direct genetic modification, but rather the reinforcement of emotional dispositions through long-term cultural, behavioral, marital, and social practices that function as a filter for the emotions of Mind. These dispositions are statistically concentrated within the population and become a psychogenetic foundation for specialized types of thinking.
In such societies, specialized states are formed in which genetic–emotional selection is carried out through administrative boundaries, spiritual institutions, and patriarchal models of mate choice.
During periods of interstate wars, natural selection occurs among carriers of emotional and spiritual configurations of Mind; at the same time, degenerative distortions of supramolecular genomic connections are eliminated, reducing the individual’s capacity to preserve universal emotions of Mind.
The Buddhist system: a stratified structure of thinking
The Buddhist paradigm is built not on the principle of state closure, but on caste-karmic stratification, in which:
  • each individual occupies a social niche in accordance with their spiritual level and the principle of karma;
  • selection is carried out through social and emotional stratification rather than through state borders;
  • civil wars serve as mechanisms for the redistribution of carriers of different emotional–cognitive structures encoded in the genome.
For example, during the Taiping Rebellion in China (19th century), a redistribution of social roles and spiritual practices occurred, accompanied by a renewal of the population’s emotional and genetic foundations through the mixing of genotypes and the restoration of disrupted supramolecular harmony.
The Buddhist system proves particularly effective under conditions of high population density and large numbers of people, ensuring stability, but it is less universal on the scale of global civilization.
Contradictions and limitations
Differences in approaches to the development of Mind form an ontological contradiction:
  • the Abrahamic system asserts active selection and expansion through the religious state;
  • the Buddhist system prioritizes internal stability and spiritual stratification.
The conflict between the paradigms manifests as a confrontation between their emotional configurations embedded in the genome and culture, making synthesis impossible within the framework of traditional religion.
Modern world wars are an expression of this civilizational split, associated with the incompatibility of the fundamental emotions of Mind and the degradation of humanity’s spiritual structures.
The current crisis and the role of Russia
The internal crisis of the Abrahamic system is intensifying amid geopolitical instability. The Russian Federation currently plays a role in strengthening China’s Buddhist strategy, oriented toward economic and cultural dominance—a form of retribution for long periods of exploitation and humiliation.
Military actions between Abrahamic countries, initiated by Russia, undermine their economic and military potential and weaken their spiritual invulnerability, while China strengthens its capacity by integrating the Buddhist model of stratification with modern social technologies.
The necessity of a new meta-ideology
Overcoming the civilizational deadlock is impossible within the framework of traditional religions. A universal, supra-religious paradigm is required—one capable of synthesizing the spiritual principles of both systems and guiding humanity toward a new stage in the evolution of Mind.
Such a meta-ideology is ESGTRV (Emotional-Supragenetic Theory of the Universe), which integrates biogenetic, emotional, and cognitive mechanisms into a unified model of the development of Mind. It is based on:
  • emotions of Mind as universal tensor configurations of force fields determining goal-setting by matter;
  • the unification of cognitive, implementational, and creative types of thinking into a coherent structure;
  • the formation of an ethical-emotional foundation for renewing the genome of the carrier of Mind;
  • the overcoming of state-religious barriers through universal emotional structures of harmony and beauty.
It should be emphasized that the Abrahamic paradigm, with its universal components of thinking (creativity, cognition, and application), must retain its role within the global system of development. The Buddhist paradigm is valuable as a mechanism of stratification and stability within a unified civilizational system, but like the Abrahamic paradigm, it cannot serve as a universal foundation for all civilizations. Only a philosophy formulated on a scientific basis can serve as a universal paradigm.
Warning: the boundary of the disaster zone
Current processes are not merely wars, but a global mechanism of selection operating at the level of the planet’s Mind. They may lead to the mass loss of carriers of emotional–supramolecular structures of Mind, resulting in a decline in the cognitive and creative potential of civilization and further genomic degradation.
Conclusion
Humanity stands before a choice: to continue along a path of destruction through conflicts between incompatible religious paradigms, or to accept the challenge of evolution and develop a new meta-ideology based on universal emotions of Mind. These emotions, described through tensor calculus and manifested as beauty and harmony, can become the foundation for the harmonization of civilizations and pave the way toward a future rational culture.
Thus, the conflict between the Buddhist and Abrahamic systems is not a clash of cultures, but a competition between two models of emotional–genetic selection of Mind that fix different forms of the Emotion of Mind within the genomes of civilizations. Only a meta-ideology grounded in universal Emotions of Mind is capable of overcoming this fundamental divide.

English version:   https://esgtdu.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_10.html

Сосуществуют две фундаментальные религиозные парадигмы: авраамическая и буддийская. Каждая развивает и поддерживает свои собственные механизмы генетико-эмоционального отбора, обеспечивающие развитие специализированных мыслительных процессов у человека на геномном уровне. Организация этих процессов основана на генетически закреплённой сегрегации в гендерном отборе, что соответствует общей стратегии эволюции Разума. Различие в фундаментальных эмоциональных конфигурациях (эмоциях Разума), закреплённых в этих парадигмах, порождает глобальные конфликты, включая мировые войны. В данной статье предлагается философский и научный анализ этих парадигм на супрагентической основе и указывается на необходимость разработки метаидеологии, основанной на универсальных эмоциях Разума как универсальном механизме эволюции Разума на Земле.
Генетически-эмоциональный отбор относится к статистической фиксации эмоциональных конфигураций в популяции посредством устойчивых механизмов социального выбора, духовных практик и гендерной сегрегации. Эти процессы действуют на надмолекулярном эмоциональном уровне, определяя способность индивида сохранять эмоции разума.
Противостояние между буддийской и авраамической системами является следствием конкуренции между двумя моделями эмоционально-генетического отбора разума.
Модель ESGTRV показывает, что парадигмы — это не культурные конструкции, а скорее формы закрепления эмоций разума в геноме.

Вводные теоретические основы
В рамках ESGTRV религиозные системы рассматриваются как механизмы формирования и укрепления эмоциональных конфигураций разума. Эти системы действуют супрагенетически, влияя на структуру эмоционального поля человечества и формируя долгосрочные когнитивные специализации. На этом фоне особенно значимым является противопоставление двух глобальных парадигм, которые определили эволюцию цивилизации.

Дихотомия религиозных парадигм
Данный анализ не ставит целью оценить или критиковать духовные традиции. Он рассматривает авраамические и буддийские системы как надорганизменные механизмы отбора эмоциональных структур разума, формирующие различные типы мышления и различные траектории эволюции цивилизации.
Мировая история свидетельствует о существовании двух устойчивых форм религиозного целеполагания. Каждая из них направлена на специализацию мышления посредством консолидации и отбора эмоциональных геномных конфигураций:
  • Авраамическая парадигма  , представленная иудаизмом, христианством и исламом;
  • Буддийская парадигма  , сформированная на основе индийской философии и тибетской школы.
Обе системы стремятся к развитию разума в человеческой цивилизации, но используют разные механизмы социальной и эмоциональной сегрегации, что приводит к их цивилизационному расхождению и конкуренции.

Авраамическая система: Централизованный отбор разума
В авраамических обществах отбор эмоциональных и когнитивных структур осуществляется посредством государственной секретности, религиозного контроля и гендерных ограничений. Эти механизмы обеспечивают стабилизацию психологических специализаций:
  • Иудаизм  формирует эмоциональные ассоциации, связанные со знанием и анализом;
  • Христианство  развивает эмоционально-когнитивные структуры моделирования и системного мышления;
  • Ислам  укрепляет эмоциональные структуры самореализации, дисциплины и стремления к смыслу жизни.
Важно подчеркнуть, что эмоционально-генетический отбор не подразумевает прямой генетической модификации, а скорее укрепление эмоциональных установок посредством долгосрочных культурных, поведенческих, брачных и социальных практик, которые действуют как фильтр для эмоций разума. Эти установки статистически концентрируются в популяции и становятся психогенетической основой для специализированных типов мышления.
В таких обществах формируются специализированные государства, где генетико-эмоциональный отбор осуществляется посредством административных границ, духовных институтов и патриархальных моделей выбора супруга.
В периоды межгосударственных войн происходит естественный отбор носителей эмоциональных и духовных конфигураций разума, одновременно устраняются деградационные искажения надмолекулярных связей генома, что снижает способность человека сохранять универсальные эмоции разума.

Буддийская система: стратифицированная структура мышления.
Буддийская парадигма построена не на принципе закрытости государства, а на кастово-кармической стратификации, в которой:
  • Каждый человек вписывается в социальную нишу в соответствии со своим духовным уровнем и принципом кармы;
  • Отбор осуществляется посредством социальной и эмоциональной стратификации, а не через государственные границы;
  • Гражданские войны служат механизмами перераспределения носителей различных эмоционально-когнитивных структур, закодированных в геноме.
Например, во время восстания тайпинов в Китае (XIX век) произошло перераспределение социальных ролей и духовных практик, которое сопровождалось обновлением эмоциональных и генетических основ населения посредством смешения генотипов и восстановления нарушенной надмолекулярной гармонии.
Буддийская система оказывается особенно эффективной в условиях высокой плотности населения и большого количества людей, обеспечивая устойчивость, но она менее универсальна в масштабах мировой цивилизации.

Противоречия и ограничения
Различие в подходах к развитию Разума образует онтологическое противоречие:
  • Авраамическая система утверждает активный отбор и экспансию посредством религиозного государства;
  • Буддийская система отдает предпочтение внутренней стабильности и духовной стратификации.
Конфликт между парадигмами проявляется как противостояние их эмоциональных конфигураций, заложенных в геноме и культуре, что делает синтез невозможным в рамках традиционной религиозной сферы.
Современные мировые войны являются выражением этого цивилизационного раскола, связанного с несовместимостью основных эмоций разума и деградацией духовных структур человечества.

Нынешний кризис и роль России
Внутренний кризис авраамической системы обостряется на фоне геополитической нестабильности. Российская Федерация в настоящее время играет роль в укреплении буддийской стратегии Китая, ориентированной на экономическое и культурное господство — своего рода месть за длительные периоды эксплуатации и унижения.
Военные действия между авраамическими странами, инициированные Россией, подрывают их экономический и военный потенциал и ослабляют их духовную неуязвимость, в то время как Китай укрепляет свой потенциал, интегрируя буддийскую модель стратификации с современными социальными технологиями.

Необходимость новой метаидеологии
Преодоление цивилизационного тупика невозможно в рамках традиционных религий. Необходима универсальная, надрелигиозная парадигма, способная синтезировать духовные принципы обеих систем и направлять человечество к новому этапу в эволюции Разума.
Подобная метаидеология — это  ESGTRV (Эмоционально-супрагенетическая теория Вселенной)  , которая объединяет биогенетические, эмоциональные и когнитивные механизмы в единую модель развития разума. Она основана на:
  • Эмоции разума как универсальные тензорные конфигурации силового поля, определяющие постановку целей материей;
  • объединение когнитивного, имплементационного и творческого типов мышления в целостную структуру;
  • формирование этико-эмоциональной основы для обновления генома носителя Разума;
  • Преодоление государственно-религиозных барьеров посредством универсальных эмоциональных структур гармонии и красоты.
Следует подчеркнуть, что авраамическая парадигма с ее универсальными компонентами мышления (творчество, познание и применение) должна сохранить свою роль в глобальной системе развития. Буддийская парадигма имеет ценность как механизм стратификации и поддержания стабильности в рамках единой цивилизационной системы, но, подобно авраамической парадигме, она не может служить универсальной основой для всех цивилизаций. Только философия, сформулированная на научной основе, может служить универсальной парадигмой.

Предупреждение: Граница зоны бедствия
Нынешние процессы — это не просто войны, а глобальный механизм отбора, действующий на уровне разума планеты. Они могут привести к массовой потере носителей эмоционально-надмолекулярных структур разума, что повлечет за собой снижение когнитивного и творческого потенциала цивилизации и дальнейшую деградацию генома.

Заключение
Человечество стоит перед выбором: продолжать путь разрушения через конфликты между несовместимыми религиозными парадигмами или принять вызов эволюции и разработать новую метаидеологию, основанную на универсальных эмоциях разума. Эти эмоции, описываемые тензорным исчислением и проявляющиеся как красота и гармония, могут стать основой для гармонизации цивилизаций и проложить путь к будущей разумной культуре.
Таким образом, конфликт между буддийской и авраамической системами — это не столкновение культур, а конкуренция между двумя моделями эмоционально-генетического отбора Разума, которые закрепляют различные формы Эмоции Разума в геноме цивилизаций. Только метаидеология, основанная на универсальных Эмоции Разума, способна преодолеть этот фундаментальный раскол.

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  Prayers for Australia
Posted by: searchinmyroots - 12-14-2025, 02:53 PM - Forum: Judaism General - Replies (1)

I send my prayers to our fellow Jews and all those affected in Australia.

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  Has EU Commission "Humanitarian" aid to the Palestinians become astronomical?
Posted by: Robert - 12-11-2025, 06:46 PM - Forum: Israel - No Replies

It seems that E.U. Commission "Humanitarian" aid to the "Palestinian" Arabs may have become astronomical !

Quote:AI Overview:

Yes, the European Commission's aid to Palestinians, especially since late 2023, often exceeds annual ESA [European Space Agency] contributions; 
the EU's total support for Palestinians (humanitarian + development) is in the billions (1.6B for 2025-27), 
while ESA's  total  budget is comparable but broken down by  member  contributions, often in the hundreds of millions (e.g., Spain 500M, France/Germany billions over years, not annually), 
making direct annual EU Commission aid vs. total  country  ESA contributions an uneven comparison, but overall EU financial flows to Palestine are massive. 

EU Funding for Palestinians (EU Commission & Member States - "Team Europe"):

> Humanitarian Aid:  The EU is the largest donor, allocating significant funds, with 220 million in emergency aid for 2025 alone, and over 1.58 billion from Team Europe since October 2023 for humanitarian needs.

> Development & Stability:  A major 2025-2027 program for Palestine is up to  1.6 billion, supporting services, recovery, and the Palestinian Authority. 

European Space Agency (ESA) Contributions:

> ESA is funded by its member states (including EU nations) through mandatory and voluntary contributions for specific programs.

> While multi-billion-euro budgets exist for space programs, individual  annual  contributions to ESA from single EU countries (like France or Germany) are substantial (often hundreds of millions to over a billion euros annually for  all space activities), but these fund space programs, not direct humanitarian aid. 


Comparison:

> The  EU Commission's  specific  annual humanitarian aid  (hundreds of millions) can rival or exceed what some  individual  EU states might contribute to ESA in a single year, but the total "Team Europe" support package for Palestine (humanitarian + development) is in the billions over a few years.

It's an apples-to-oranges comparison  of EU institutional funding vs. member state contributions to a separate agency, but both are significant financial commitments, with EU support to Palestine being a massive, ongoing funding stream. 


The AI Overview says: 'It's an apples-to-oranges comparison of EU institutional funding vs. member state contributions to a separate agency'. 
I beg to differ, because the value of each Euro to the beneficiary concerned on the international money markets (whether spent by the E.U. Commission or by individual E.U. countries), is the same.


Eight sources were cited by the AI Overview, but I will put just three of them here:

EU humanitarian financial assistance to Palestinians:
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/polic...8 billion.

How the EU funds the Palestinian Authority:
[Fatah (aka "palestinian authority, the") sends part its income to Hamas in Gaza.]
https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/new...und allow.

EUROPEAN COOPERATIVE ORGANIZATION AND GOVERNMENT SPACE BUDGETS
European Space Agency Budget
2011 – European Space Agency Budget – Snapshot:
https://www.thespacereport.org/page/2/?t...d parties.

Search engine criteria used:
Is more European Union Commission humanitarian aid given each year to the Palestinians compared with total annual E.U. countries contributions to the European Space Agency”.


The E.U. Commission (of which Ursula von der Leyen is President), triples "Humanitarian" aid to Gaza, the day after Ursula von der Leyen visits one of the attacked Kibbuzim:

October 7, 2023:
During the Hamas-led "Palestinian" Arab massacre of Israelis of October 7, 2023, over a dozen Kibbuzim were attacked: 
https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/remembe...capitated.

Quote:'[...] around 250 Hamas and other Palestinian militants attacked Kfar Aza, an Israeli kibbutz (cooperative community)
about 3 kilometers (1.9 mi) from the border with the Gaza Strip, massacring residents and abducting hostages. [...]
62 residents [...]  killed, [...] 19 were taken hostage. [...]

shooting civilians taking shelter in safe rooms,
sexually assaulting hostages,[...]
dismembered or beheaded victims using implements including garden hoes,
while others were shot inside their homes or burned alive. [...]'

(Please see webpage for citations (the citation numbers are not included above).)

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Aza_massacre


October 13, 2023:
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen visits the Kfar Aza kibbutz:

https://www.politico.eu/article/von-der-...lict-bias/

October 14, 2023:
[Heading:] “EU triples immediate humanitarian aid for Gaza”: 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-eas...023-10-14/

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  chatGPT for interpreting scripture
Posted by: gib65 - 11-28-2025, 04:27 AM - Forum: Judaism General - Replies (10)

Hello everyone,

Lately I've been using chatGPT to interpret certain passages in scripture. So far, it's been a useful guide. But it's hard to verify if the feedback it gives me matches what scholars and rabbis would respond with.

For example, I had this conversation with chatGPT on Exodus 19:

https://chatgpt.com/share/6929238f-6b3c-...16a1ad1642

(unfortunately, I used the same chat to ask some tech questions about some software I'm dealing with; once it starts to sound techy, you know it's a different conversation Big Grin).

What does everyone think? Is chatGPT a good source for interpreting scripture?

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