Christ is a created being according to the bible
Proverbs 8:23
I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
Christ was formed in the beginning of creation by Yahwah.
Christ Pre-existed.
John 6:41
At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”
John 6:42
They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’ ?”
John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.
John 8:58
“Very truly I tell you,” Yahshua answered, “before Abraham was born, I existed!”
John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
John 17:5
5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
John 17:24
“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
Proverbs 8
1 Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
2 At the highest point along the way,
where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
3 beside the gate leading into the city,
at the entrance, she cries aloud:
4 “To you, O people, I call out;
I raise my voice to all mankind.
5 You who are simple, gain prudence;
you who are foolish, set your hearts on it.
6 Listen, for I have trustworthy things to say;
I open my lips to speak what is right.
7 My mouth speaks what is true,
for my lips detest wickedness.
8 All the words of my mouth are just;
none of them is crooked or perverse.
9 To the discerning all of them are right;
they are upright to those who have found knowledge.
10 Choose my instruction instead of silver,
knowledge rather than choice gold,
11 for wisdom is more precious than rubies,
and nothing you desire can compare with her.
12 “I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence;
I possess knowledge and discretion.(See Isaiah 11:2.)
13 To fear the Lord is to hate evil;
I hate pride and arrogance,
evil behavior and perverse speech.
14 Counsel and sound judgment are mine;
I have insight, I have power.
15 By me kings reign
and rulers issue decrees that are just;
16 by me princes govern,
and nobles—all who rule on earth.
17 I love those who love me,
and those who seek me find me.
18 With me are riches and honor,
enduring wealth and prosperity.
19 My fruit is better than fine gold;
what I yield surpasses choice silver.
20 I walk in the way of righteousness,
along the paths of justice,
21 bestowing a rich inheritance on those who love me
and making their treasuries full.
22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,before his deeds of old;23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was constantly at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.
32 “Now then, my children, listen to me;
blessed are those who keep my ways.
33 Listen to my instruction and be wise;
do not disregard it.
34 Blessed are those who listen to me,
watching daily at my doors,
waiting at my doorway.
35 For those who find me find life and receive favor from the Lord.
36 But those who fail to find me harm themselves;
all who hate me love death.”
"Messiah of Aaron and Israel." Priest and nation, Knowledge and wisdom.
Dead Sea Scrolls: The Damascus Rule.#6. "But God remembered the Covenant with the forefathers, and He raised from Aaron men of discernment and from Israel men of wisdom,"
The Community Rule (1QS) D.S.S. #9. "until there shall come the prophet and Messiah of Aaron and Israel".
Aaron and Israel: Aaron was the high priest of the nation Israel.
Yahshua is the Messiah of Aaron and Israel.
Isaiah 11:2
The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD...
Luke 2:40-47. 40. And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him. 47. Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers.
1Cor 1:30. It is because of him that you are in Messiah Yahshua, who has become for us wisdom from God...
Colossians 2
1I want you to know how much I am struggling for you and for those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally. 2My purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
Isaiah 11:2
The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD -
Yahshua said:
John 5:44
How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?
Yahshua said:
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Christ had no Father until Yahwah adopted him.Beginning of days without end of life.This is how it should read:
Hebrews 7:3
Without father or mother, without genealogy, beginning of days without end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.
Yahshua was created by Yahwah our Father.
Proverbs 8:23
I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be.

I wonder if there are anymore Einstein's out there, looking for a new Spinoza.



https://ctmucommunity.org/wiki/Proofs_of_God


I was wondering if you could help me review this work.

Hello,
I'm a Hebrew initiate (made brief introduction in the welcome section).  


 I've had several years of Greek, German, and now a year of Hebrew, which isn't enough for really digging into translation, so I joined to brush up and have questions answered as I'm going along.

What I've been noting, with ancient Hebrew, is translators tend to use context to translate particular words, hence נָחַם Nacham, has a list of possibility for translations:   Comfort, Repent, Relent, changed my mind, and tend to replace the one word with larger vocabulary in conveyance.

I'm under the impression that Nacham is the root word "sigh."    When I'm trying to translate, I tend to go to the root meaning, first, and often last.    There are all kinds of issues with translating any particular language, but with Tanakh Hebrew, there were only about 8k words. The idea of giving multiple meanings to Hebrew expression for particularly English, where we have over a half a million words for expression is understandable, but for me, back-loading on translation, meaning into words that are (to me) imported back upon Hebrew Tanakh simplicity.    

As I look at the options from a standard concordance, I have to wonder if 'to sigh' is being pushed further by context, rather than by the word itself in translation.    

Exodus 32:14, by example, might not convey well as 'G-d sighed.'   Relented perhaps the better for English understanding, but it is my thinking "G-d sighed" is 1, the actual equivalent, and 2,'relented' the action contextually following the word Nacham.   IOW, "G-d sighed" followed by "He didn't bring disaster" where we allow context to inform instead of adding translated thoughts we are just about to translate anyway (a redundancy and it seems to me, a force upon the one word).  

So the argument for translation would be:  Minimal, allow the reader to come to conclusions and don't over-stuff any particular word with context that is already given, especially when context definitely fills out meaning.   

One problem:   "G-d changed His mind," is one go-to for translators and I've all kinds of issues with it being legitimate.   For me, 'changed one's mind' is vague, and not very meaningful for understanding any particular text, even in English.    Rather, the action following 'I changed my mind' is pertinent, and Nacham, rather the set up for that action.    Revisiting Exodus 32:14, "G-d changed His mind" goes much further in assumption than "G-d sighed."   I can intimate 'why' but if I translated that intimation, it appears to me, I've forced the text and translation and back-loaded it with meaning that can and often does redirect a reader from original intent (again, such is my drive when trying to be faithful translating any text).   

On point is a question of whether or not, based on my translating inclination, to always go as minimal and faithful to a word's meaning whenever meaning can be deciphered by further contextual reading.   I prefer word-for-word over against thought-for-thought, simply because of the middle-man between me and actually getting to the gist of a text. 

Thoughts, input appreciated and thank you.  -Lon

Hello.    I've had a little Hebrew (one year) and have questions from time to time.    I've a BTh in theology, MA in Teaching/child psych.

I've had to years of German, two years of Greek, and am currently learning a bit of Spanish on my own.

My interest in forum is to ask questions and get a better grip on the Tanakh.   

Currently I'm in a discussion about  the meaning of ָחַם -Nacham.   I tend to believe all words must travel back to their root meaning for proper interpretation, such that 'comfort,repent, relent' are, I think, rather contextual than implicit.    For me, 'sighed' carries the broader meaning of the Tanakh language more appropriately, and leaves context for further meaning.    Such is a sample of 'why I'm interested in being here.'   

Thanks for taking a few moments to briefly get acquainted.  -Lon

menachen Begin..he made one mistake during his political career,,,he signed a peace treaty with egypt...egypt got contral of the sinai; an oil well that Israel could have needed,,,what did Israel get...a scrap of paper and re quiring of a demolishing a Jewish settlement ..although not a direct result- the precident had been set..give up the land of Israel  for peace...  in short it was the begining of the oslo accords and the destructions of 25 Jewish settlements in judea; Samaria; gaza and the Sinai...yet one action can have a long effect...

What do these words mean?

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Tommorow evening it begins.

Chag Sameach, chaverim.

In this new year we will not be perfect, but we can be better. We have to be.

May you have an easy fast.

May you find meaning in the day.

Gemar hatimah tovah.

I chanced upon a book that really got me interested in my Jewish heritage. I haven't really been so observant for a good portion of my life but I still could never justify opting out of Judaism altogether. After all, we have really suffered for keeping and observing the same beliefs that today we often take for granted in a world that pushes for questioning religion and being a skeptic while simply ignoring the fact that indeed questioning science is also something that must be done. I don't want to put myself entirely in the believer camp yet, but all I have understood from this book is that if we must be iconoclasts then let us equally scrutinize everything. 

Here is a brief summary of the book below and the link to the book for anyone that is interested in reading further. - (This is a 4 part series)

 https://www.amazon.com/Atheism-Real-Juda...rd_w=fZJWq&content-id=amzn1.sym.dcf559c6-d374-405e-a13e-133e852d81e1&pf_rd_p=dcf559c6-d374-405e-a13e-133e852d81e1&pf_rd_r=GQE4GH95ZW7NQ9K6KBMX&pd_rd_wg=UJtFy&pd_rd_r=aeb809f4-d355-4d5e-861d-d10d8ea03984&pd_rd_i=1568717059&psc=1


This four-volume judicial review, addressed to the skeptical, non-religious Jewish mind, delivers a shocking verdict: "Real Judaism" is a proven, non-faith religion, vindicated by cold logic and unavoidable evidence, not sentiment or superstition. The implication is clear: rejecting your heritage is intellectually dishonest and leads directly to Jewish self-annihilation.
Here is a short, compelling summary of the case presented across the four books:

1. Let's Really Try to Disprove Judaism: This volume establishes the uniqueness of Judaism's core claim: a mass, simultaneous, public Revelation at Sinai in 1312 BCE, unlike other faiths based on unwitnessed, private revelations. The mathematical force of the Law of Probability proves that the survival of this story for over 3,000 years is impossible if it were a lie. The odds were against survival by roughly 50,000 to 1. Your existence as a Jew today is presented as the living, inexplicable proof that the claim must be true.
   
2. Judaism on Trial: The case is strengthened by irrefutable non-Jewish evidence—including archaeology, history, DNA findings, and ancient texts from enemies like the Samarians. This confirms the unbroken, generational chain of testimony (the Sinai Argument). The ultimate objective witness, Sir Isaac Newton, is cited as having examined and intellectually embraced the Sinai argument, rejecting both atheism and faith religions for lack of judicial certainty.
   
3. Mutation: Schmutation: This volume contrasts the proven nature of Real Judaism with the secular atheist worldview, often rooted in the "Faith of Immaculate Mutation" (evolution). It argues that the secular framework, which rational Jews embrace, fails every legal and logical test that Judaism passes beyond a reasonable doubt. This irrational rejection of a proven heritage is attributed to a preference for a life of amoral freedom and intellectual laziness.
   
4. Why Bad Things Happen to Good People: The Hidden Book Answers: Having judicially established the Creator's existence, this final volume draws on the profound wisdom found in the Talmud (the encyclopaedic Oral Law). The Talmud is presented as the only source that provides robust, logical answers to the ultimate questions of existence, suffering, and justice. It explains that life is designed as an ultimate test of Freewill, proving that knowledgeable observance leads to emotional security and contentment, making the choice to assimilate the self-inflicted final solution.
   

Just wondering if there happens to be any Noahides who browse this forum.


Wondering what resources are best recommended for those who are interested/beginners and wanting to look more into Judaism while practicing the Seven Laws.