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Normalization and Peace Treaties - Is the PRICE too high? |
Posted by: Robert - 05-20-2025, 05:58 PM - Forum: Israel
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The Israeli government has been limited in what it could achieve in the war of defense and deterrence against the Gazen Palestinian Arabs, due to the Gazen terrorist tunnels and due to the hostages.
If Israel fails to completely remove the threat from Gaza a similar attack to that of 7th October 2023 will inevitably occur at some time in the future. In any next such occasion, instead of a thousand terrorists issuing forth from Gaza, a place from which Israel gets zero time warning of any ground-invasion, it will be thousands with catastrophic consequences for the continuance of the State ! It is because most European countries wish this to happen that they are so concerned for the Gazan "Palestinian" Arabs; it indeed massages their anti-Semitism.
In my personal view, there can only be one method to remove Hamas from power in Gaza.
(Not any alternative administration to Hamas in Gaza, because this would be completely ineffective, leaving Hamas extant and behaving "business as usual" making war against Israel.)
The way to remove Hamas from power in Gaza is to do what any other country does with those who are illegally on its territory, which is to Deport all the Gazen Palestinian Arabs who do not have Israeli Citizenship or Residence.
The Palestinian Arabs in Gaza breached the Oslo Accords by putting Hamas in power which never recognized the Accords, and who over many years fired thousands of rockets at Israeli cities, and who on October 7th, 2023 carried out a barbaric attack on Israeli civilians.
Many Egyptians entered Gaza as new "Palestinians" under the illegal-occupation of Gaza by Egypt 1948 to 1967 - copies of two such passports issued by the then Egyptian illegal-occupiers of Gaza:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/3ofilrrsl...s.pdf/file
84 of 100 of the highest incidence Palestinian surnames (Palestine region in 2004), had highest incidence outside that region:
My extract source document:
“Country Origin of Palestinian Arab Surnames upd.pdf” - information source “forebears.io”:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/9d115bv6w...d.pdf/file
I examined the first 100 of those ranked “Palestinian” Arab surnames (from the total of 1,000 ranked surnames), which makes a 10% sample.
Of the sample first 100 ranked “Palestinian” Arab surnames:
16 surnames had the highest incidence in the Palestine region.
The remaining 84 “Palestinian” Arab surnames had the highest incidence in countries other than the Palestine region, as follows:
35 ranked surnames had highest incidence in Egypt.
(See above: "Many Egyptians entered Gaza as new "Palestinians" under the illegal-occupation of Gaza by Egypt 1948 to 1967".)
11 ranked surnames had highest incidence in Iraq.
9 ranked surnames had highest incidence in Yemen.
7 ranked surnames had highest incidence in Syria.
6 ranked surnames had highest incidence in Jordan.
6 ranked surnames had highest incidence in Pakistan.
3 ranked surnames had highest incidence in Nigeria.
2 ranked surnames had highest incidence in Sudan.
2 ranked surnames had highest incidence in India.
1 ranked surname had highest incidence in Tanzania.
1 ranked surname had highest incidence in Saudia Arabia.
1 ranked surname had highest incidence in Bangladesh.
Total 84
The Palestinian Arabs have no valid historical claim over any part of the land of Israel.
There has never been an indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel upon which the “Palestinian” Arabs could base any claim to any part of the land of Israel.
There are those who seek to separate the responsibility of Hamas from the Gazen Palestinian Arab "civilians". Doing so is a false notion designed to preserve war against Israel. Many of the Gazen civilians are part-time civilians; spending a proportion of their time as combatants. For example those who worked for UNRWA, and took part in the October 7th, 2023 massacre of Israelis.
It is also worth bearing in mind that a survey found that: '63.6% of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip supported the attack [the October 7th, 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel]'.
I discussed that survey here:
"Survey on Palestinian support for the October 7 2023 massacre":
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...%20pid7749
Being in breach of the Oslo Accords the Palestinian Arabs (not having Israeli citizenship nor residence) are squatters and thus illegal-occupiers and should be deported.
What then of the "normalization" of relations between Arab countries and Israel and of the peace treaties between certain Arab countries and Israel? If the price is the continuance of the threat from Gaza, then that price is too high!
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One after the other or simultaneously? |
Posted by: BlueBird2 - 05-05-2025, 06:26 PM - Forum: Hebrew Language Forum
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As I was flipping through the Bible, I came across a prophecy in the book of Daniel that I had read long ago. Back then, I heard someone on youtube say that the Hebrew grammar suggests the four beasts appear simultaneously, not one after the other, as is usually translated and interpreted. That was years ago, and I've forgotten who it was and how he explained it.
Is anybody familiar with the grammer and can say whether it is clear wheather these beasts appear simultaniously or one after another? (The list in the following verses could also refer to beasts that exist at the same time, as one says: the first dress is red, the second dress is purple, etc.) Thanks!
Here is the text in Daniel 7:3
https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo...pter-7.htm
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How much free will do we truly have? |
Posted by: Searcher - 04-22-2025, 06:49 AM - Forum: Judaism General
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I know that Judaism is a bit big with a person, whether Jew or gentile, having free will to make their own decisions and whether if they decide to follow the scriptures and rules in the Torah.
By this extension, how much free will do we truly have in our lives that makes up on whether if we are choosing to accept or reject different beliefs and rules in our lives?
This has sort of weighed on me for a few reasons. I’m a gentile thus live as such, but sometimes I wonder on whether if it would’ve been better had I taken more time to look into Judaism and made the effort to join in. But I feel like it wasn’t destined, especially now that I can’t just get up and leave the current life I have since if I were to decide to convert then that would mean to leave my family behind. But what if I had made the effort and joined? When looking at some family tree information, it is possible that there could have been some Jewish ancestors (but not where it held up on the maternal line, which means that I wouldn’t be Jewish even if it’s been verified that these ancestors were Jews.) Would have converting really been the choice I made, or something more predetermined that has me compelled to learn more about Judaism in the first place? Sort of like epigenetics but more in the sense that information was passed through some generations.
I guess by that extension, if a person is called to Judaism then was it truly their choice? Especially if they feel called on doing so?
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1.8 billion ways for the E.U. to massage its anti-Semitism |
Posted by: Robert - 04-16-2025, 04:36 PM - Forum: Israel
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Prior to the Hamas-led attack on Israel of October 7th, 2023, Gaza is a place where most people live off international aid, quite apart from the other significant sums of money given to Fatah (aka "Palestinian Authority, the").
Gaza also produces rather little (e.g. some agricultural produce, scrap metal, exhausted batteries).
Gaza's two main production items:
(the first of which is discussed anon) while other main product is conflict.
Quote:'[...] the Palestinian ["Palestine" - Gaza and in Judah and Samaria ("West Bank")] ratio of exports to GDP was a modest 0.6% for 2023. [...]'
Extract source:
https://www.worldstopexports.com/palesti...0-exports/
In Gaza most people live off international aid, quite apart from the other significant sums of money given to Fatah:
Quote:'In 2020, 77 percent of households in Gaza received aid (compared to 10 percent in the West Bank), the majority of which came from UNRWA[9] and was concentrated on food and cash assistance (78 and 57 percent, respectively).[10] [...]'
(See webpage for citations.)
Extract source:
https://www.elibrary.imf.org/view/journa...001-en.xml
The barbarian [by reference to the Hamas-led massacre of October 7th, 2023] Hamas regime is then, kept artificially in existence by European and Arab countries, by way of "humanitarian" aid mostly via Fatah. Fatah which pays a reward pension ("pay for slay") for terrorism against Israeli Jewish civilians. I can only assume it is kept in existence by those countries in the hope the Palestinian Arabs will destroy Israel and expel or murder its indigenous Jews.
Quote:'[...] 04/14/2025
EU pledges €1.6 billion in new aid for Palestinians
The European Union has announced a three-year financial support package for the Palestinians worth up to €1.6 billion ($1.8 billion).
"We are stepping up our support to the Palestinian people. €1.6 billion until 2027 will help stabilize the West Bank and Gaza," EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas wrote on X on Monday. [...]'
Extract source:
https://www.dw.com/en/middle-east-eu-ple...e-72237121
Quote:'[...] How are we helping?
In 2024, the European Commission has significantly increased its humanitarian assistance to Palestine, allocating €237 million in humanitarian aid to vulnerable Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.
In 2025, the Commission announced an initial €120 million in humanitarian aid to vulnerable Palestinians. [...]'
Extract source:
[Note: Each year this webpage's stated payments are replaced with the new years payments!]
https://civil-protection-humanitarian-ai...lestine_en
'There is no proper E.U. auditing as to how E.U. “aid” to the Palestinians is spent, and both the E.U. and the Palestinians are well-aware of this:
Quote:'The new 2013 report of the Court [European Court of Auditors] reveals that $2.7 billion in direct aid [foreign aid given by the European Union] to the Palestinians between 2008 and 2012 could not be accounted for and appeared to be lost. In addition, EU investigators who visited Jerusalem and areas on the West Bank were unable to obtain information or speak to Palestinian officials about corruption in the areas they controlled.'
Extract source:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/...ities.html
Common sense dictates a logical-connection between these prodigious sums of "humanitarian" aid and increases in conflict against Israel by the Palestinian Arabs. Logically any sums received can be used for conflict or can "free-up" other sums for conflict. In effect it constitutes a "pay for slay" policy by countries which are institutionally anti-Semitic. The targeting of European Jews has simply been substituted by the targeting of Israel, by way of the "Palestinian" Arabs, yet while the paying (via the E.U. Commission) E.U. countries relieve their guilt by annually marking a Holocaust Memorial Day!:
Quote:'[...] international aid organizations and many countries kept on sending money to Gaza, purportedly for humanitarian aid. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency, the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees, raises money for Gaza through its Web site, with payments going through WorldPay (part of the Royal Bank of Scotland Group ), the Arab Bank PLC in Gaza and HSBC in Amman, Jordan. Those funds come in addition to UNRWA's annual budget of $400 million.
The $7 billion to $10 billion that the Palestinian Authority has received since 1993 has come from the European Union, the U.N., the U.S., Saudi Arabia and other Arab League countries. France alone has sent more than $3 billion. This influx of cash has done little to advance the development of a viable Palestinian state or of peace in the region. Rather, it has helped to fuel the Palestinian leadership's terrorist agenda, and kept the Palestinian people oppressed and disenfranchised. [...]'
Extract source:
"Where Hamas Gets Its Money", Jan 16, 2009:
https://www.forbes.com/2009/01/16/gaza-h...1eb2d57afb
In a France 24 English news report a Gaza Palestinian Arab lady was interviewed. It was reported she had lost her two adult sons in the conflict (since October 2023); the circumstances of their deaths were not explained.
With a smile she explained that Gaza would produce: many more babies.
Quote:'[...] the Gaza Strip’s population of roughly 1.8 million has an unusually large proportion of children. Figures for 2013 from Index Mundi, the internet source of country data, show that that 43.5 per cent of the population is aged 14 or under [https://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/comp...mographics]
[...]
Pedersen [Jon Pedersen of the Fafo Institute, a centre for demographic and social research in Oslo, Norway], says that a sense of duty to expand the population is a factor that can’t be dismissed. “There have been statements from Hamas urging women to have more children to create a larger army,” he says.'
Extracts source:
https://web.archive.org/web/202503260503...-so-young/
Palestinian Arab children are prepared for conflict by being indoctrinated in hatred and falsehood, through their Palestinian education system, specifically their textbooks:
Quote:'[Major heading:] “9. European Parliament resolution of 29 April 2021 with observations forming an integral part of the decisions on discharge in respect of the implementation of the general budget of the European Union for the financial year 2019, Section III – Commission and executive agencies (2020/2140(DEC))
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444. Is concerned about the hate speech and violence taught in Palestinian school textbooks and used in schools by UNRWA [“United Nations Relief and Works Agency”]; is concerned about the effectiveness of UNRWA’s mechanisms of adherence to UN [“United Nations”] values in educational materials used and taught by UNRWA staff in its schools, which contain hate speech and incitement to violence; [...]'
Extract source:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/doc...64_EN.html
I have discussed the latter in more detail, with examples, here:
"How the Palestinian Education System perpetuates conflict":
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...29#pid7529
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clarification for questions |
Posted by: Mvpenn8 - 04-12-2025, 01:09 PM - Forum: Judaism General
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Hello everyone,
I realize that this is a contentious topic, and I anticipate opposition—but request you to remain open-minded and to read this.
We have learned for decades now that 6 million Jews were systematically killed by the Nazis by means of almost exclusively gas chambers in death camps like Auschwitz and Treblinka. Not just is this account accepted but mandated by law in many countries, dissent being the equivalent of hate.
But I have ended up raising serious questions about a lot of details in this account.
Not out of disrespect—because history needs to be open for questioning. And when some part of history is off-limits to discussion, that's when we need to question it the most.
Ask yourself:
- Where is Hitler's explicit, clear command?
- Why are there so many of the supposed gas chambers post-World War II rebuilds?
- Why are no Red Cross accounts of the time written that include the term "genocide"?
- Why are some "survivor" accounts inconsistent, or subsequently proved to be untrue?
- Why is the number "6 million" being published in newspapers well before WWII has even begun?
I am not disputing that Jews were persecuted. I am disputing that there is a premeditated, industrial murder of 6 million by gassing and that **the evidence is historically, logistically, and forensically questionable**.
I'm not asking you to surrender. I'm asking you to debate. Be prepared with your sources, and I'll be prepared with mine. If truth indeed is on your side—why fear the debate?
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