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Posted by: Markdc - 12-31-2024, 02:32 PM - Forum: Introductions
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Hello everyone,
New member here. I have no Jewish ancestry (I’m Asian-American) and was raised in a Catholic household (though I’m not religious), but ever since I was young, I’ve loved reading Jewish history. Favorite subjects include Jewish-American history (especially Jews and Hollywood, Jews and politics, Jews in the American South, Jews and the Mafia, and Jewish immigration), Zionism and Israel, and anti-Semitism and the Holocaust. I also love watching movies about Jews.
Mark
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Website-forums where Defending Israel/the Jewish people, gets you immediately banned! |
Posted by: Robert - 12-29-2024, 04:56 PM - Forum: Israel
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Website-forums where Defending Israel/the Jewish people, gets you immediately banned / Cancelled!
Notes:
Within about 20 minutes of my posting the following, "resetera.com" censored my post and I was immediately banned!:
“Oops! We ran into some problems.
You have been banned.”
That also without my even having condemned them for seeking to justify or excuse the October 7th, 2023 massacre!
In the third paragraph of my "resetera.com" censored post below, I refer to Palestinian Arab illegal-structures built in Area C of Judah and Samaria ("West Bank") and which I have discussed in a bit more detail here:
"Palestinian Illegal-Structures in Area C of "West Bank" under their "Fayyad Plan" ":
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...p?tid=1527
Also in the third paragraph of the censored post below, I draw to the reader's attention, that the Palestinian Arabs mostly originate from Foreign-Arab-Migrant-Workers who arrived in the land of Israel just prior to, and during the British Mandate - I have discussed this in some more detail citing four sources and with extract-quotes, here:
"Are the Palestinian Arabs really as they claim, native (aka indigenous), to Israel?":
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...hp?tid=789
Posted at:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/israel-...es.772478/
Discussion > EtcetEra Forum
In Reply to thread:
“Israel/Palestine - The ongoing Israeli genocide in Gaza - ICJ Orders Halt to Israeli Offensive on Rafah - See Staff Posts for Posting Guidelines”:
The censored post:
This is my first post on this website and while meaning no disrespect to the Admin. here, I would like to respond to part of the "Official Staff Communication". If doing so is not tolerated, then my sojourn here may prove to be rather brief.
It states:
"This [the October 7th, 2023 massacre] mirrors the actions that the Israeli government has allowed for years; settlers driving into Palestinian territory and forcing people from their homes to take them for themselves or police forces attacking Palestinians attempting to worship on holy days. This has gone on for decades and is also, obviously, horrific."
"[...] settlers [...]":
This term though also used in Israel, is inaccurate, because those people are Jewish villagers who come either from Jews whose families managed to stay in the land of Israel despite invasion and occupation since Biblical times, or from Jewish returnee-exiles: Judaism is both and ethnicity as well as a religion.
One only has to look at a map of the indigenous Post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom, to see that modern Israel is Re-established within the Jewish ancestral-homeland, including Judah and Samaria ("West Bank").
"[...] settlers driving into Palestinian territory and forcing people from their homes to take them for themselves [...]":
People tend not to define the term "Palestinian territory/lands". The Palestinian Arabs claim ALL of Israel, but no one can establish from them any objective internationally-recognized evidence to support any such claims. Instead, the Media state that the Palestinian Arabs "want" the land for a state, yet there is never any verification for any such claim. The Palestinian Arabs mostly originate from Foreign-Arab-Migrant-Workers who arrived in the land of Israel just prior to, and during the British Mandate [I can provide sources to verify this, if permitted to do so].
The Palestinian Arabs obtained autonomy of about 40% of Judah and Samaria ("West Bank") and the whole of Gaza, under the Oslo Accords (aka the "Palestinian Territories"); afterwhich they: Continued to claim ALL the land, continued with terrorism, and with firing thousands of rockets at Israeli cities.
Under the Oslo Accords Israel is permitted to build homes (aka "settlements") in Area C of Judah and Samaria ("West Bank"). It is those Jewish homes to which the description "drive into" wrongly and unfairly refers. When such homes are built, the Palestinian Arabs complain to the Media and NGOs, but those homes are permitted under the Oslo Accords. The Palestinian Arabs also have the policy to turn up in the middle of the night to set up tents and commence building, which then as in any other country get demolished for lack of any building permit; the Palestinian Arabs then also complain about that to the Media and NGOs.
"[...] police forces attacking Palestinians attempting to worship on holy days [...]:
This appears to be a description of what typically occurs when Muslim youths have attended the Mosque for prayers. Once the prayers have completed the youths throw stones (typically employing sling-shots) at Jews nearby, or they produce knives to attack Jews. The Media then report that the Muslims have been attacked during prayers.
As a result of these typical circumstances, the Israeli police now tend to prohibit worshipers under the age of 50 from entering certain areas during flashpoint festivals.
Israel respects all religions, has Arab citizens, and Arab lawmakers, and some Arab political parties formed part of a previous Israeli governing coalition.
"[...] This has gone on for decades and is also, obviously, horrific.":
Please bear in mind that the international Media is the source for most people's impressions of Israel and what is occurring in Israel, but unfortunately most International Media though much of its coverage of news is objective and fair in most news situations, is completely-biased against Israel. For example, France 24 English, which reports most news of incidents in Israel only from the Palestinian Arabs viewpoint, and the pundits they interview appear to be pre-screened to agree with the Channel's bias.
The United Nations likewise a force for good in most situations, except regarding Israel, where it is completely biased in favor of the Palestinian Arabs. The U.N. and its structures have for many years had a built-in pro Palestinian Arab bias. The Palestinian Arabs start-off in U.N. votes by enjoying a block-vote in their favor of up to 56 Arab and additional Islamic-aligned countries (e.g. U.N. member states that are also members of the "Organization of Islamic Cooperation" and follow its policies when voting in the U.N.), and influence of Arab oil money with consequential trading power; compared to Israel being just one country.
As a result of this bias, the U.N. policies regard Israel as being in illegal-occupation of parts of the Jewish people's ancestral-homeland. This despite modern Israel having been
Re-established within the Jewish ancestral-homeland as can be seen as mentioned above from a map of the post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom.
There has never been any indigenous "Palestine" / Arab sovereign state within the land of Israel upon which the Palestinian Arabs could base any claim to any part of the land.
It follows that having used Lawfare to wrongly-accuse the Jewish people of Illegally-occupying their own ancestral-homeland, the U.N. based on the falsehood of "illegal-occupation", then also go on to accuse Israel of having "illegal settlements". These wrongful U.N. policies are in contravention of the Oslo Accords which are international law.
This then is on what the Palestinian Arabs base their complaints to the Media and to NGOs, and also upon which Media and NGO bias against Israel, is wrongly justified.
Here is how to immediately-end Israel's alleged illegal-occupation and consequential alleged illegal-settlements:
The U.N. should immediately repeal its wrongful policy alleging an Israeli "illegal occupation" of any part of the Jewish people's ancestral-homeland of Israel, and apologize to the Jewish people for all the years of that trumped-up charge.
Something similar has already occurred - The U.N. resolution that had compared Zionism (Jewish nationalism) with racism, was eventually repealed!
[I have omitted sources (URLs) in case this is not permitted, but I can if allowed, insert them.]
The Discussion thread title wrongly assumes as a fact that there is a genocide taking place in Gaza. There is no proper or credible evidence for any such accusation. Israel's evacuation orders for Gaza civilians to clear areas of conflict is inconsistent with any such alleged policy. In my personal view, one would be seeing significantly higher casualty figures if there were any genocide taking place.
People are also not silly - If the Palestinian Arab civilians were to perceive that any genocide were taking place, they would flee to Egypt; no one is preventing them from doing so.
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Exodus 13 |
Posted by: gib65 - 12-28-2024, 03:18 AM - Forum: Judaism General
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Hello, and welcome to my next post on Exodus, this time covering Exodus 13. I have to say, Exodus 13 is very confusing. I get the general plot elements--it introduces the reader to how the Israelites embarked on their journey through the wilderness and set the stage for some rituals and practices to commemorate this day. But it's the details of these rituals and practices and their symbolic significance that eludes me. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable on these matters than I will clarify their meaning.
Source: https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9874
Exodus 13:2 Wrote:"Sanctify to Me every firstborn, every one that opens the womb among the children of Israel among man and among animals; it is Mine."
What on Earth does this mean???
Perhaps this might shed some light on it:
Exodus 13:6-12 Wrote:6 For seven days you shall eat unleavened cakes, and on the seventh day, there is a festival for the Lord. 7 Unleavened cakes shall be eaten during the seven days, and no leaven shall be seen of yours [in your possession], and no leavening shall be seen of yours throughout all of your borders. 8 And you shall tell your son on that day, saying, "Because of this, the Lord did [this] for me when I went out of Egypt." 9 And it shall be to you as a sign upon your hand and as a remembrance between your eyes, in order that the law of the Lord shall be in your mouth, for with a mighty hand the Lord took you out of Egypt. 10 And you shall keep this statute at its appointed time, from year to year. 11 And it will come to pass when the Lord will bring you into the land of the Canaanites, as He swore to you and to your forefathers, and He has given it to you, 12 that you shall give over to the Lord whatever opens the womb, and every miscarriage that opens the womb of an animal which will be yours, the males belong to the Lord.
First, the theme of unleavened cakes comes up again, and Exodus 13:9 hints at the symbolism: "...in order that the law of the Lord shall be in your mouth...". So the unleavened cakes represent the law of the Lord being in the mouths of those who follow this practice. But still, why unleavened cakes? Why is that the symbolism of choice?
Second, Exodus 13:12 suggests that "opening the womb" literally means opening the womb--as in a C-section--and the mentioning of "miscarriage" implies opening the womb in order to remove a dead fetus. The Lord seems to be saying that such miscarriaged fetuses belong to Him (but only the males).
Still, I fail to see the connections between the unleavened cakes (symbolizing the law of the Lord) and miscarriaged fetuses belonging to the Lord. And why just the males?
Exopdus:13-15 sheds a bit more light on this:
Exodus 10:13-15 Wrote:13 And every firstborn donkey you shall redeem with a lamb, and if you do not redeem [it], you shall decapitate it, and every firstborn of man among your sons, you shall redeem. 14 And it will come to pass if your son asks you in the future, saying, "What is this?" you shall say to him, "With a mighty hand did the Lord take us out of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 15 And it came to pass when Pharaoh was too stubborn to let us out, the Lord slew every firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man and the firstborn of beast. Therefore, I slaughter [for a sacrifice] all males that open the womb, and every firstborn of my sons I will redeem.
So Exodus 13:13 suggests that every firstborn donkey can be redeemed by the sacrifice of a lamb. And if not, decapitating the donkey will do the trick. In the latter case, is the sacrifice of the donkey a fitting redemption for the first sons of the Israelites? And it is saying that a miscarriage can substitute for the donkey? I notice the phrasing is "all males that open the womb". So was it a tradition that if the woman needed to be opened because of a miscarriage, it would be the firstborn son who performed the operation? And is the passage saying that because he performs the operation, the miscarriaged fetus counts as a sacrifice which redeems him? This is particularly confusing to me because Exodus 13:15 says "I slaughter all males that open the womb," which doesn't sound like a redemption to me. Is it saying that since the miscarriaged fetus is already dead, it can substitute for the slaughtering of he who opens the womb? Sort of being symbolically slaughtered? And what of firstborn males who open the womb but the fetus isn't dead? And what of males who aren't the firstborn but open the womb? Do they get slaughtered literally (not symbolically)?
Going back to Exodus 13:12, it reads "that you shall give over to the Lord whatever opens the womb, and every miscarriage that opens the womb of an animal which will be yours, the males belong to the Lord." This sounds like it needn't be a person that opens the womb (let alone the firstborn son), and even that the miscarriage itself can open the womb (at least in the case of animals). Maybe "opening" the womb doesn't mean to literally cut open the womb but simply to pass a miscarriaged fetus through the birth canal.
Despite my confusion, it seems clear that the purpose of this practice is to "redeem" the firstborn sons of Israel (and donkeys) from the tragedy of deaths of the firstborns of the Egyptians. It seems like God is trying to be fair, to balance things out--for every Egyptian firstborn who died on Passover, so too shall an Israelite firstborn die. But because sacrifices can be performed en lieu of an actual Israelite firstborn (or miscarriaged fetuses), God offers an alternative to literal sacrifice of Israelite firstborns.
Exodus 13:16 Wrote:And it shall be for a sign upon your hand and for ornaments between your eyes, for with a mighty hand did the Lord take us out of Egypt.
Well, this touches on the other two symbols from Exodus 13:9--the hand and between the eyes--linking at least the hand with the Lord's "mighty hand" which took the Israelites out of Egypt.
This leaves (at least for me) the mystery of what "between the eyes" signifies. Exodus 13:16 speaks of "ornaments" between the eyes, and Exodus 13:9 refers to a "remembrance" (as in, remembering the day they were brought out of Egypt). Linking these two, and linking all three symbols to the unleavened cakes, would clear up this mystery.
Exodus 13:21-22 Wrote:21 And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of cloud to cause it to lead them on the way and at night in a pillar of fire to give them light, [they thus could] travel day and night. 22 He did not move away the pillar of cloud by day or the pillar of fire at night [from] before the people.
I assume passages like this are to be taken literally. That is, God literally took the form of a cloud pillar by day and that of a fire at night. But I can't help feeling that there must be some symbolic significance to these forms in addition to their physical manifestation--as though God were trying to communicate something in these forms. Is there any thought among Jewish scholars about why Good chose these forms (other than to give the Israelites light at night)?
FOOTNOTE: I struggle with the most appropriate terminology here. I'm trying to avoid the term "abortion" since an abortion is to "abort" the process of bring a new life into the world, whereas a miscarriage is the accidental disposing of an already dead fetus. I also want to avoid the term "C-section" for "opening the womb" since a C-section is a uniquely specific 20th century procedure, and I have no idea how (or if) the Israelite removed fetuses or babies from the womb.
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The Prime Minister of Ireland Simon Harris, comments on Israel's embassy closure |
Posted by: Robert - 12-17-2024, 04:13 PM - Forum: Israel
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H.E. the Taoiseach (prime minister) of the Republic of Ireland, Simon Harris, said the following upon Israel closing its embassy; the embassy closure being due to Ireland's support of the South African claim against Israel (based on alleged-evidence from Israel's enemies) of alleged-genocide in Gaza:
Quote:“We condemn all attacks on Israel. We say Israel has a right to live in peace and security and a right to defend itself. You can say all of those things and still say the next thing, which is that what the Netanyahu government is doing to innocent civilians in Gaza and in the West Bank is utterly despicable and should be condemned by all.”
Extract source:
Irishtimes, December 16, 2024:
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024...tisemitic/
For legal reasons where the following has nothing to do with HE Simon Harris or anything he may have said on that matter, I would like to comment generally:
When people say that Israel has the right to do this or to do that, and then go on to accuse, devoid of proper evidence Israel, of "doing" something that in reality is an accusation of war crimes, then also in reality such people are simply seeking to make anti-Semitism normal, legitimate, and respectable.
There is also a difference between "saying" things that give one's point of view - biased though they may be, compared to "saying" things that allege war crimes devoid of proper-evidence.
When are falsehoods against Israel typically due to anti-Semitism, and how can you recognize Palestinian Arab Falsehood-Propaganda?:
UNSUBSTANTIATED-allegations against Israel that insult the reader’s intelligence by being typically-provided with:
No detail, no objective-sources; zero evidence.
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Hamas Gaza casualty figures include terrorist deaths on the Oct 7th, 2023 massacre |
Posted by: Robert - 12-17-2024, 01:46 PM - Forum: Israel
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Hamas Gaza casualty figures include terrorist deaths on the Oct 7th, 2023 massacre:
As we know the Hamas-led attack on Israel - the massacre, took place on October 7th, 2023.
Israel commenced their war of defense and deterrence against Hamas in Gaza on October 27th, 2023.
The Gaza casualty figures provided by Hamas, are:
unverified,
are provided by Israeli's enemy, Hamas - a terrorist organization,
the figures do not distinguish between civilians and combatants,
and these Hamas figures are falsely-accepted as valid by Hamas' allies the United Nations,
and by the Media.
The alleged Hamas Gaza casualty figures are dated by Hamas from October 7th, 2023:
Quote:'This dataset provides daily values for those killed and injured in the Gaza Strip since October 7th, 2023.
There are currently 437 days of reports from 2023-10-07 to 2024-12-16 and we update the list daily as new reports are released. [...]
Extract source:
https://data.techforpalestine.org/docs/c...ies-daily/
The commencement date October 7th, 2023, for the Hamas Gaza casualty figures indicates the figures include the deaths of the Hamas-led combatants from Gaza, who took part in the October 7th 2023 massacre.
Here is what one Israeli newspaper reports as the estimated number of terrorists killed in the October 7th, 2023 attack:
Quote:'[...] Israel has said some 1,500 terrorists are believed to have been killed by security forces as the attack and the Israeli response unfolded [...]'
Extract source:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-rev...0-to-1200/
Example: Image taken off the TV, of France 24 English.
They have included the October 7th, 2023 date in the news ticker rolling news caption, about one day a month only, for at least each of the last three months:
https://www.mediafire.com/view/qsl874iy9...4.jpg/file
[Notes:
I tried to upload the image to this post for display - the website software requires an internet address, but the image was taken with my cell phone.
I also tried to upload the image to this post as an attachment, but an error message displayed stating that the image is too large.
That is why I have instead uploaded the example Media-image to Mediafire (above Link), which may display immediately, or from which the reader can download to view.]
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