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(09-16-2023, 12:28 PM)DanielK. Wrote: Could anyone translate for me word by word Daniel 10:21?
The most important thing I want to know if there is "your" prince in this passage, or just "prince". All non- Jewish Bible translations, including Septuagint, Vulgata and national versions of the hebrew Bible, translates it as "your prince". According to this website:
https://biblehub.com/daniel/10-21.htm
there is only word "prince"- but also on this website they translate it as "your prince". So I want to know what is the Truth. thank You very much for the answear.
The word "prince" is not correct. The correct word to use is "minister."
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(05-25-2025, 03:59 AM)JudaicChristian Wrote: See: https://context.reverso.net/translation/...7%A9%D7%A8
I guess you're the expert in the Hebrew language!
It would be wise if you could refrain from teaching us our language.
Thank you.
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(05-25-2025, 12:08 PM)searchinmyroots Wrote: (05-25-2025, 03:59 AM)JudaicChristian Wrote: See: https://context.reverso.net/translation/...7%A9%D7%A8
I guess you're the expert in the Hebrew language!
It would be wise if you could refrain from teaching us our language.
Thank you.
You are welcome to prove me wrong.
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A minister requires a people and a government to serve. When Sarah (שָׂרָ֖ה - female version of שר) received her name from God, the people of Israel and an Israeli government didn't yet exist. Therefore, I would argue that minister is not the only meaning of שר
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(05-25-2025, 04:31 PM)BlueBird2 Wrote: A minister requires a people and a government to serve. When Sarah (שָׂרָ֖ה - female version of שר) received her name from God, the people of Israel and an Israeli government didn't yet exist. Therefore, I would argue that minister is not the only meaning of שר Kings were ministers of the faith.
השר Minister
Daniel existed in the 6th century BCE. Daniel 10:21.
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(05-25-2025, 05:40 PM)JudaicChristian Wrote: (05-25-2025, 04:31 PM)BlueBird2 Wrote: A minister requires a people and a government to serve. When Sarah (שָׂרָ֖ה - female version of שר) received her name from God, the people of Israel and an Israeli government didn't yet exist. Therefore, I would argue that minister is not the only meaning of שר Kings were ministers of the faith.
השר Minister
Daniel existed in the 6th century BCE. Daniel 10:21.
Wikipedia says the meaning minister is modern hebrew. Daniel certainly did not speak modern hebrew.
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(05-25-2025, 07:42 PM)ctjacobs Wrote: (05-25-2025, 05:40 PM)JudaicChristian Wrote: (05-25-2025, 04:31 PM)BlueBird2 Wrote: A minister requires a people and a government to serve. When Sarah (שָׂרָ֖ה - female version of שר) received her name from God, the people of Israel and an Israeli government didn't yet exist. Therefore, I would argue that minister is not the only meaning of שר Kings were ministers of the faith.
השר Minister
Daniel existed in the 6th century BCE. Daniel 10:21.
Wikipedia says the meaning minister is modern hebrew. Daniel certainly did not speak modern hebrew. You are correct that Minister is Modern Hebrew. However, that does not mean it is not correct.
Derived from the root verb שָׂרַר (sarar), meaning "to rule" or "to have dominion." chieftain, chief, ruler, official, captain, leader.
The word שַׂר (sar) appears frequently in the Hebrew Bible, often referring to leaders or officials in various contexts, including military, governmental, and religious settings. It is used to describe individuals who hold positions of power and responsibility.
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(05-25-2025, 09:39 PM)JudaicChristian Wrote: (05-25-2025, 07:42 PM)ctjacobs Wrote: (05-25-2025, 05:40 PM)JudaicChristian Wrote: (05-25-2025, 04:31 PM)BlueBird2 Wrote: A minister requires a people and a government to serve. When Sarah (שָׂרָ֖ה - female version of שר) received her name from God, the people of Israel and an Israeli government didn't yet exist. Therefore, I would argue that minister is not the only meaning of שר Kings were ministers of the faith.
השר Minister
Daniel existed in the 6th century BCE. Daniel 10:21.
Wikipedia says the meaning minister is modern hebrew. Daniel certainly did not speak modern hebrew. You are correct that Minister is Modern Hebrew. However, that does not mean it is not correct.
Derived from the root verb שָׂרַר (sarar), meaning "to rule" or "to have dominion." chieftain, chief, ruler, official, captain, leader.
The word שַׂר (sar) appears frequently in the Hebrew Bible, often referring to leaders or officials in various contexts, including military, governmental, and religious settings. It is used to describe individuals who hold positions of power and responsibility.
And what do you think the word prince can mean?
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(09-16-2023, 12:28 PM)DanielK. Wrote: Could anyone translate for me word by word Daniel 10:21?
The most important thing I want to know if there is "your" prince in this passage, or just "prince". All non- Jewish Bible translations, including Septuagint, Vulgata and national versions of the hebrew Bible, translates it as "your prince". According to this website:
https://biblehub.com/daniel/10-21.htm
there is only word "prince"- but also on this website they translate it as "your prince". So I want to know what is the Truth. thank You very much for the answear.
Dan 10:20 is chief or leader.
Dan 10:21 is minister
Prince Minister Leader Sar
Brown-Driver-Briggs makes a very good argument for the word "sar" meaning royalty, in Assyrian. (King)
However, using another language to translate a word can be both helpful, and misleading. What they did not take into consideration is the fact that royalty also acted as ministers. (As in, ministering in peace.) Or (Minister of the faith.) The Hebrew word "Sar" (Shar) is best translated as "Minister." The Hebrew word "Sar" should never be given a translation as having to do with royalty.
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