08-28-2019, 11:52 PM
(08-28-2019, 10:37 PM)serviteur Wrote: "24 This left Jacob all alone in the camp, and a man came and wrestled with him until the dawn began to break. 25 When the man saw that he would not win the match, he touched Jacob’s hip and wrenched it out of its socket. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for the dawn is breaking!”
But Jacob said, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
27 “What is your name?” the man asked.
He replied, “Jacob.”
28 “Your name will no longer be Jacob,” the man told him. “From now on you will be called Israel,[a] because you have fought with God and with men and have won.”
29 “Please tell me your name,” Jacob said.
“Why do you want to know my name?” the man replied. Then he blessed Jacob there.
30 Jacob named the place Peniel (which means “face of God”), for he said, “I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been spared.” Genesis 32: 24-30
If GOD can't become a man?Who fought with Jacob?Was it a man or GOD? why does Jacob say He saw the face of GOD and lived to tell the tale?
Why does Jacob subsequently refer to the One he fought with ,as man and GOD when talking about this event?
Hosea 12:4-5 tells us who Jacob wrestled with -
(JPT)
4 - In the womb, he seized his brother's heel, and with his strength he strove with an angel.
5 - He strove with an angel and prevailed; he wept and beseeched him; In Bethel he shall find Him, and there He shall speak with us.
Where does it say Jacob saw the face of G-d and lived?
It specifically says that no one can see the face of G-d and live.
Exodus 33:20 - And He said, "You will not be able to see My face, for man shall not see Me and live."
So who should I believe, the Torah or you?