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why is judaism better about keeping out the losers?
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(10-14-2020, 09:25 PM)RabbiO Wrote:
(10-14-2020, 03:03 PM)MatthewColorado Wrote: Maybe it is possible that Reform as well is kind of like an entry point for someone completely unfamiliar with the culture and language. 

What are your thoughts?

My thoughts on your comment above?

I don't think you really want to hear my thoughts. I don't know that I could find language that would be allowable  on this forum to express my thoughts. 

I'll get back to you if I am able to find suitable words that adequately express my disgust and my utter contempt.

It is a legitimate question, i have no ill will in asking it, i ask for more understanding from others out there with different pieces of the puzzle than i have. If you think that statement is wrong, i ask that you tell me why in a clear and articulatable way. I am not a statue i am not unchanging or unfeeling. 

How can we have the time when we beat our spears into plows if we cannot first begin a discussion with an earnest attempt to respect and understand each other. I hope i am clear that although i have my opinion, i in no way think it is the right opinion. I think all opinions are valid in some way or another because they only come from the Creator. 

My observations as to why i asked the questions are as follows. 

- Reform will have the most easy to enter into services for a non Jew. Services are generally completely in English in my experience although i have been told some have become more traditional in recent years. Going to Maariv and the entire service being in Hebrew with all the traditional observances is harder to acclimate to at first, although i think later it is actually more effective at staying ingrained in you, at least that is how it was for me.


- Reform is MUCH MORE accepting than any other group of Jews i have known personally. I was literally turned away from Orthodox because i did not have a religiously Jewish mother or father. Simple as that not a question of why or what i believe, what i knew about Torah nothing. In that sense they incurred a sin by turning away a genuine person that could demonstrate Torah knowledge. Reform +1 in that regard, please understand i do not mean to be demeaning although i am sure people have told you that you are less than them for what you believe, and i do not subscribe to that opinion myself i value you for who the Creator made you to be.

-Conversion, Orthodox conversion is intense, i was reading easily fifty to a hundred pages a day, not to mention really strict observance to things like no lights or electricity use. I read Torah by candle every week, most people won't do that. Reform conversion, you literally have a half a dozen to a dozen discussions with people that have a very loose idea of what the subjects of Judaism are and what should be contained. One was like a college course with a structure, the other is like a meetup group with just a philosophical discussion. I am speaking purely from experience here so please this is just one person's factual account of one piece of time.

Shalom Aleichem
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