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To Veil or Not to Veil
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(04-05-2021, 05:38 PM)searchinmyroots Wrote:
(04-05-2021, 05:13 PM)Blue Bird Wrote: Hm, I can't see a hint that Moses wanted to avoid the Israelites to focus on the radiance. Where is that in scripture?

As I tried to explain, Romans says not the opposite of Isaiah. Who is challanging you with 2. Corinthians and Romans 11? If there is nobody, it's quite interesting that you chose those two verses.

You asked what I "thought" so that's where my answer comes from.

The Hebrew bible does not say why Moses covered his face as far as I can see.

I don't see where you tried to explain the differences in Romans vs. Isaiah.

Here are the differences that stand out to me, please let me know your thoughts on why they are not opposites -

Romans says the deliverer will come out from Zion.

Isaiah says the redeemer will go to Zion.

Romans says the deliverer will turn away ungodliness.

Isaiah says Jacob will turn away transgression.


So does the redeemer/deliverer go to Zion or does he come out of Zion?

Does the deliverer turn away the sins of Jacob or does Jacob turn away from sin?

That's a good point. I never stumbled over these texts, perhaps because Zion is so far away.  You said, the parallel to Romans 11 is Isaiah 20. Is it possible that you meant Isaiah 59, verse 20? 

My study bible has no explanation why in Isaiah it says TO Zion and in Romans OUT OF Zion. In the internet I found only one sentence that writes about that. Here I try to translate:

It's interesting that Paul changes Isiahs quote from "to Zion" to "out of Zion" and consequently emphasizes the origin of the redeemer out of the city of David and out of the middle of the people of Israel.

To the question if the deliverer turns away the sins or does Jacob turn away from sin. Aren't both statements correct? 

Isaiah 44,22 comes to my mind: "I erased your transgressions like a thick cloud, and like a cloud have I erased your sins; return to Me for I have redeemed you." 

and Isaiah 58, 8+9: "Then your light shall break forth as the dawn, and your healing shall quickly sprout, and your righteousness shall go before you; the glory of the Lord shall gather you in.Then you shall call and the Lord shall answer, you shall cry and He shall say, "Here I am," if you remove perverseness from your midst, putting forth the finger and speaking wickedness."
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To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-01-2021, 09:15 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Ismq - 04-01-2021, 11:21 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-02-2021, 12:17 AM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Ismq - 04-02-2021, 12:28 AM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-02-2021, 12:49 AM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Blue Bird - 04-02-2021, 10:45 AM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-02-2021, 12:27 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Blue Bird - 04-02-2021, 02:57 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-02-2021, 03:42 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Blue Bird - 04-03-2021, 11:28 AM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-04-2021, 01:33 AM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by RabbiO - 04-02-2021, 03:52 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-02-2021, 06:17 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by RabbiO - 04-02-2021, 07:45 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Dana - 04-03-2021, 01:19 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Ismq - 04-03-2021, 07:15 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-04-2021, 12:50 AM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Ismq - 04-04-2021, 04:44 AM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-04-2021, 01:11 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Ismq - 04-04-2021, 05:00 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-04-2021, 06:02 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Ismq - 04-05-2021, 02:56 AM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-05-2021, 03:05 AM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by robrecht - 04-05-2021, 03:38 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-05-2021, 03:54 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Blue Bird - 04-05-2021, 04:05 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-05-2021, 05:00 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Blue Bird - 04-05-2021, 05:13 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-05-2021, 05:38 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Blue Bird - 04-06-2021, 07:42 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-06-2021, 10:21 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Blue Bird - 04-07-2021, 06:59 AM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-07-2021, 02:14 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Blue Bird - 04-07-2021, 02:58 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-07-2021, 11:49 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Blue Bird - 04-08-2021, 06:42 AM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by robrecht - 04-05-2021, 04:21 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-05-2021, 05:01 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Jason - 04-05-2021, 08:55 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by robrecht - 04-05-2021, 09:57 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-09-2021, 03:10 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by Blue Bird - 04-10-2021, 10:48 AM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by RabbiO - 04-09-2021, 08:38 PM
RE: To Veil or Not to Veil - by searchinmyroots - 04-09-2021, 09:03 PM

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