05-05-2023, 04:57 PM
(05-04-2023, 02:25 AM)searchinmyroots Wrote:(05-03-2023, 04:44 PM)veil23 Wrote:(05-02-2023, 01:11 PM)searchinmyroots Wrote:(05-01-2023, 05:14 PM)veil23 Wrote: From then everyone from them was born in this sin. G-d promised a Messiah would come in the future to save man.
I don't see where either of these 2 statements are written in the Hebrew bible.
"in the day you eat you will die" says G-d to Adam. Yet Adam lived 930 years from that point meaning his death was spiritual in nature. G-d killed an animal to get the coat of skins to cover them. In this G-d spilt blood that covered this sin until the arrival of the seed (coming Messiah) that would destroy the devil (serpent) who had a hold on man through that spiritual death. In Genesis 6 G-d sees how the imagination of men is only evil, continually (hello to those born of Adam) in sin!) and Jeremiah says the heart of man is desperately wicked (chap 17). And we know what the Hebrew scriptures say they say to those to whom they were given -that EVERY mouth may be stopped (both Jewish and gentile) before G-d. You are not seeing the forrest for the trees.
Sounds like a lot of "assumptions" here.
Where does it say G-d killed an animal to get the coat of skins? What does Genesis 3 really say?
3:21 - And the Lord God made for Adam and for his wife shirts of skin, and He dressed them.
Where does it say blood was shed to cover the sin? I'll answer that question myself, nowhere!
Where does it say the serpent was a devil? Nowhere!
So G-d saw that mans heart was evil, that doesn't say or prove anything about being born a sinner. It was mans choice. As a mater of fact, the Hebrew bible says something quite contrary -
Genesis 8:21 -
And the Lord smelled the pleasant aroma, and the Lord said to Himself, "I will no longer curse the earth because of man, for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth, and I will no longer smite all living things as I have done. (emphasis mine).
So here we see that G-d Himself says mans heart is evil from his youth, not from birth as you wrote. That is why we are told over and over again to "choose" the good. We need to be old enough to know the difference good and evil, which one cannot possibly know the day of our birth.
You are adding things from Christian theology that are NOT written in the Hebrew bible.
You are seeing the forest through Christian lenses, not what is actually written.
I'll stick with what the Hebrew bible actually says, not something that inserted.
Well, you try to get a coat of animal hide without spilling blood. Leviticus says to bury the blood (interesting). And in another place the Hebrew scriptures say the life is in the blood. These things are all connected. You would not read a letter from a friend without understanding the context.
If the letter says "I like you less today than yesterday" you would not walk away believing they liked you because you would not take the first three words out of context. Yes, G-d smelled a pleasant aroma because Noah believed and spilt blood on the alter indicating he believed in a coming redeemer who would spill blood to atone for the sin of Adam that was passed down to everyone. Yes, evil from his youth as in accountability. The spiritual death is from birth but the accountability to it is judged from sometime in youth. How do you know what is the good to be chosen? Maybe your good has evil in it that you cannot discern. This is all relative. Like two men out in empty space placed perpendicular to each other. One may think he is standing and the other one is lying down but can just as easily, in the next moment, believe he is lying down and the other standing. Like hitting your brakes at a red light because the car next to you backed up. It is only when you get a new nature by believing the truth presented to you that you can replace the sin nature inherited from Adam. As Moses knew..He turned to G-d and took THE VEIL OFF.