God's election is sovereign.

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Apparently you don't understand this is a Jewish forum. We are not interested in your Christian theology. We are not interested in being preached at. We've heard all the arguments before and reject them. My opinion? You are really pushing the line. If you want to discuss Judaism and not interject your Christian beliefs, that is fine. Otherwise this may not be the forum for you.

I told "searchinmyroots" I wont refer to the Messiah in the past tense.  But you will argue that anything I say is proselytizing.
I watched all of Rabbi Skobac's "understanding the differences between Judaism and Christianity" and can tell you what he is refuting is not Christianity.
So don't see me as proselytizing but as someone who will show you Christianity.  And if you have a stance that can refute anything I say then I have done you a service, no?

I'm not interested in Christianity. Again, this is a Jewish forum. If I want to learn about Christianity, I will go to a Chrisitian form. Pretty simple, no?

I am talking with you about the Hebrew scriptures.  Rabbi Skobac says that Abraham was chosen to be the progenitor of the Jewish people because, in his intercession between G-d and His judgment on Sodom, he was concerned with the salvation of the wicked (that they can change) along with the just.  The Rabbi says Noah did not do this because when G-d judged the early world and told him to get on the ark -he did (without concern for the wicked (believing they cannot change).  But it was PRECISELY because Noah did that that the human race carried on so wicked men born in the future (you and I) would have an opportunity to change.  And G-d, in both cases (Noah's and Abraham's) still judged and destroyed those who chose not to change (even Lot's wife, looking back with desire to a lifestyle she was leaving behind, did not escape).  Nor will anyone else.