01-26-2024, 08:39 PM
Hello everyone,
Sorry for the late response. I've been super busy with... life.
Thanks COmentator,
I read through all these articles but I fail to see the relevance to the questions I posed in my OP. I mean, they're "loosely" related but don't relate much to my specific questions. What did you have in mind when posting them?
It's probably my misunderstanding of what "patriarch" is supposed to mean, but from what I understand, the Torah tells the stories of Abraham, then Isaac, then Jacob, then Joseph. I've always assumed these were the "patriarchs".
Furthermore, and again this might be my misunderstanding, I understand that Joseph became king of Egypt, and I've always assumed this is how Egypt became populated with Hebrew slaves. Joseph's progeny multiplied under his rule, but at some point, power shifted from his lineage to that of a different dynasty, at which point Joseph's lineage became slaves. Is that wrong? If it's right, it gives one the impression (or just me in particular) that by "patriarch" is meant the son's of Abraham who eventually gave rise to the population of Hebrews in Egypt, and eventually the Hebrew slaves. Is that wrong?
Oh, I think I get it. I do recall that bit from the story of Jacob, that God "christened" him Israel. Does this mean that the nation of Israel officially begins with Jacob? And therefore, Jacob counts as the last of the "patriarchs"? That's interesting if I've got that right. It raises the question: why did God decide that Jacob was the one to receive the title of "Israel"? Why not Abraham from the beginning?
Sorry for the late response. I've been super busy with... life.
COmentator Wrote:Prehaps these links can answer your questions
Aish Torah
https://aish.com/respectful-dialogue/
https://aish.com/112471284/
https://aish.com/48937417/
https://aish.com/overcoming-setbacks/
Chabbad
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_c...-Egypt.htm
https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_c.../Aaron.htm
https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_c...Snakes.htm
Thanks COmentator,
I read through all these articles but I fail to see the relevance to the questions I posed in my OP. I mean, they're "loosely" related but don't relate much to my specific questions. What did you have in mind when posting them?
rosends Wrote:Jacob had twelve sons and a daughter. Why are you asking specifically about Joseph?
It's probably my misunderstanding of what "patriarch" is supposed to mean, but from what I understand, the Torah tells the stories of Abraham, then Isaac, then Jacob, then Joseph. I've always assumed these were the "patriarchs".
Furthermore, and again this might be my misunderstanding, I understand that Joseph became king of Egypt, and I've always assumed this is how Egypt became populated with Hebrew slaves. Joseph's progeny multiplied under his rule, but at some point, power shifted from his lineage to that of a different dynasty, at which point Joseph's lineage became slaves. Is that wrong? If it's right, it gives one the impression (or just me in particular) that by "patriarch" is meant the son's of Abraham who eventually gave rise to the population of Hebrews in Egypt, and eventually the Hebrew slaves. Is that wrong?
Glenn2020 Wrote:On your question about Joseph, he is just one of the 12 sons of Jacob (==> Israel). So the descendants of Joseph is NOT the twelve tribes of Israel, but rather the twelve sons of Israel are the descendants of the inheritance (modulo Levi not receiving land, Joseph not receiving land but his two sons Mannaseh and Ephraim did receive land)
Oh, I think I get it. I do recall that bit from the story of Jacob, that God "christened" him Israel. Does this mean that the nation of Israel officially begins with Jacob? And therefore, Jacob counts as the last of the "patriarchs"? That's interesting if I've got that right. It raises the question: why did God decide that Jacob was the one to receive the title of "Israel"? Why not Abraham from the beginning?