The Relationship Between Judaism and Christianity

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What we seem to know with some degree of confidence is that Ignatius saw Jesus as deity, which suggests that nascent trinitarianism may well have been promulgated prior to 107 C.E., i.e., within half a century of Paul's missionary work. This seems at odds with your view that "The teaching of the Trinity isn't something that developed until way later."

Parenthetically, when talking about this period care should be taken to avoid conflating Judaism and Rabbinic Judaism. It's also useful to remember that much of what's 'known' about the Ebionites and Nazarenes is derivative and speculative.

I have to disagree with that notion of the development of the Trinity.

OK.

We know that that the development of the Trinity is something that was started by the Greeks as a form of mediation, sort of like a koan that's used in Zen practices (e.g. what is the sound of one hand clapping) in order to illustrate the impossibility of thinking of HaShem directly.

I don't "know" this. What is your evidence that "the development of the Trinity is something that was started by the Greeks as a form of mediation ... in order to illustrate the impossibility of thinking of HaShem directly"?

And in what way does this support your earlier claim that "the Trinity isn't something that developed until way later"?

The question as to whether Jesus is divine and the question of the Trinity were two VERY DIFFERENT debates on Christianity, so I would say no. It isn't till the 200s that the Trinity comes into full form and is accepted.

Again, what is you evidence that these were very different debates?

And, yet again, what does the date in which "the Trinity comes into full form and is accepted" have to do with the date in which the concept was developed?

On second thought, never mind. This may be a good time for me to simply bow out of this thread.

L'shalom ...