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(06-12-2025, 02:32 PM)JudaicChristian Wrote:
(06-11-2025, 08:56 PM)Yahya Sharif Wrote:
(05-25-2025, 03:51 AM)JudaicChristian Wrote: There is no point in proving anything, because you dismiss all of the facts. Bye!

Which facts?
 Christians may not fully grasp the implications of atonement. The doctrine suggests that through Jesus, G-d is entirely reconciled with believers. Yet, this notion appears difficult to reconcile with the reality that Christians still suffer and die—just as all humans do. If Jesus truly atoned for Adam’s original sin, why do its consequences persist in the lives of those who believe?

It is not my responsibility that death is inherited as a biological aspect of humanity. I may have placed my faith in Jesus, who is said to have made atonement for the very sin that continues to cause suffering and mortality. From this perspective, I have fulfilled my obligation—so where is the promised transformation? What practical difference has Jesus’ atonement made?

Historically, even before the time of Jesus, devout Jews—despite bearing the burden of original sin—lived ethical lives and were understood to have a share in the world to come. The Jewish covenantal system endured for millennia and provided a moral and spiritual framework that was effective and meaningful.

If the primary distinction introduced by Jesus was a form of universal forgiveness or moral leniency, it invites serious theological reflection. And if eternal life was already accessible through earlier traditions, what, ultimately, did Jesus' atonement change?

There is no pain or suffering in the second life. Pain and suffering is necessary in this life.

Then what, exactly, did Jesus add? From Adam to Jesus time—including Noah, Abraham, Jacob the righteous Jews, and the righteous gentiles—none of them relied on a redeemer for the forgiveness of sins. They followed the commandments, the very same commandments that Jesus himself affirmed.
If the same religious framework for Jews and gentiles were to continue today, what new element does Jesus introduce? A person who commits evil—whether it be murder, theft, or adultery—is called to sincere repentance, not to search for a redeemer. G-d is merciful, and repentance has always been the path to forgiveness.
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A message - by Yahya Sharif - 06-23-2024, 04:04 PM
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RE: A message - by Yahya Sharif - 06-24-2024, 04:45 AM
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RE: A message - by Yahya Sharif - 06-24-2024, 07:51 PM
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RE: A message - by searchinmyroots - 05-25-2025, 12:04 PM
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RE: A message - by Yahya Sharif - 06-09-2025, 09:16 PM
RE: A message - by JudaicChristian - 06-10-2025, 02:12 PM
RE: A message - by searchinmyroots - 06-10-2025, 05:25 PM
RE: A message - by Yahya Sharif - 06-11-2025, 08:56 PM
RE: A message - by JudaicChristian - 06-12-2025, 02:32 PM
RE: A message - by Yahya Sharif - 06-12-2025, 04:46 PM
RE: A message - by Yahya Sharif - 03-31-2025, 11:16 AM
RE: A message - by searchinmyroots - 05-27-2025, 12:54 PM
RE: A message - by Yahya Sharif - 06-09-2025, 08:51 PM
RE: A message - by Robert - 06-10-2025, 07:28 PM
RE: A message - by JudaicChristian - 06-14-2025, 01:41 PM
RE: A message - by Yahya Sharif - 06-15-2025, 12:27 PM
RE: A message - by JudaicChristian - 06-15-2025, 07:28 PM
RE: A message - by Yahya Sharif - 06-26-2025, 04:33 PM
RE: A message - by searchinmyroots - 06-26-2025, 08:11 PM
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RE: A message - by searchinmyroots - 06-26-2025, 11:12 PM
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RE: A message - by searchinmyroots - 06-27-2025, 11:18 AM
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RE: A message - by Yahya Sharif - 06-27-2025, 04:31 AM
RE: A message - by searchinmyroots - 06-29-2025, 11:46 AM
RE: A message - by JudaicChristian - 06-29-2025, 03:40 PM
RE: A message - by Yahya Sharif - 06-29-2025, 03:27 PM
RE: A message - by Yahya Sharif - 06-29-2025, 03:39 PM
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