Prophecies

[rosends]

So many assumptions, with absolutely no basis for any of them. I find it interesting that the response to my posts is to insult my intelligence with baseless claims.

If I was interested in proselytizing, I wouldn't be here. I am supremely interested in truth.

I still have yet to receive any justification for Daniels rejection.

You are not interested in truth, only in your perception of truth and what you think should be truth.

In truth, the notion of prophecy is laid out in Jewish scripture. In truth, the term jewish scripture includes texts you have never read and wouldn't consider scriptural. But who cares what you think the truth is.

[Blue Bird]

Obviously this is your understanding, please don't tell us what our scriptures given to us mean.

It's amazing you think you understand the Hebrew bible more than those who know Hebrew and spent most of their lives reading it.

Every scroll, every verse, every word and every letter.

It would be nice if you applied this principle to Christian literature.

[ESchaible]

Definitely a "with what judgment you judge, you will be judged" situation.

It's still interesting to me the assumptions that I haven't read Jewish literature, don't know Hebrew, and in fact am not even a Jewish abound. I am making no claims, but the bias and blind judgment is astounding.

[searchinmyroots]

Obviously this is your understanding, please don't tell us what our scriptures given to us mean.

It's amazing you think you understand the Hebrew bible more than those who know Hebrew and spent most of their lives reading it.

Every scroll, every verse, every word and every letter.

It would be nice if you applied this principle to Christian literature.

Blue Bird,

To be honest, I would have to guess the vast majority of people who call themselves Christians not only do not know what the original Greek really says and/or don't really care to know.

[searchinmyroots]

Definitely a "with what judgment you judge, you will be judged" situation.

It's still interesting to me the assumptions that I haven't read Jewish literature, don't know Hebrew, and in fact am not even a Jewish abound. I am making no claims, but the bias and blind judgment is astounding.

We're not making assumptions, it's pretty obvious from your posts.

[searchinmyroots]

So many assumptions, with absolutely no basis for any of them. I find it interesting that the response to my posts is to insult my intelligence with baseless claims.

If I was interested in proselytizing, I wouldn't be here. I am supremely interested in truth.

I still have yet to receive any justification for Daniels rejection.

You were given answers regarding Daniel, you just reject them.

This seems like proselytizing to me -

" it's a pragmatic rejection based on Daniel being much to pointedly Messianic, and more than this, his prophecies make it an unequivocal fast that Messiah has already come, and when coupled with another oft rejected portion of Isaiah, make it plain that Jesus is Messiah."


" Sadly, it will take Jacobs trouble to bring the nation to its knees and finally see that Jesus is Lord. This judgment is already pressing in on Israel, would to God that Jews everywhere were warned that this judgment will surpass any suffering the nation has ever known. Lift your heads, because it's obvious.

Proselytizing -

• 1. convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another:
  

[Blue Bird]

Obviously this is your understanding, please don't tell us what our scriptures given to us mean.

It's amazing you think you understand the Hebrew bible more than those who know Hebrew and spent most of their lives reading it.

Every scroll, every verse, every word and every letter.

It would be nice if you applied this principle to Christian literature.

Blue Bird,

To be honest, I would have to guess the vast majority of people who call themselves Christians not only do not know what the original Greek really says and/or don't really care to know.

Hello searchingmyroots,

do you and most of the Jews outside of Israel speak Hebrew or study the Jewish Bible in its original language? I would guess that most Jews don't study the Tora at all (I may be wrong, but from what I heard here and from Jews elsewhere, Bible study is more of a incidental. Why do you think, you are in a position to judge Christians?

Your sages don't speak Greek, much less the original language of the New Testament, the ancient Greek. They haven't read from Matthew to Revelation, let alone studied verse by verse. Yet they believe they understand the New Testament and can afford to judge. I say they can't.

What you wish for, namely that others respect your texts and teachings, would, in my view, be fair if you also practice this attitude towards others. You aren't an aggressive anti-Christian missionary who doesn't respect his non-Jewish counterparts, are you?

(I don't know how that happened, somehow I posted this twice. then deleated one)

[ESchaible]

To try and convert anyone would be base presumption on my part, and would be to encroach in the revealed will and election of God. Was Moses seeking to proselytize the Pharaoh when he simply stated the revealed truth and words of God? It is God that shows mercy, and He will raise up one vessel for honor, and another for dishonor, and that solely to magnify His power, election, and grace.

The pride and base, blind judgment shown forth here is the reason a partial hardening has come to Jacob (the Jewish people). There truly is a remnant according to grace, but ultimately that remnant is according to the election and grace of God. Would that Abrahams children would follow in his footsteps and stop seeking to set up their own righteousness and submit to the righteousness of God by faith - Abraham yearned to see the days of Jesus, and before Abraham was, Jesus declared Himself as everlasting Father with the declaration "I am".

God desires His people to return to Him so that He might show them mercy and write His law in their hearts. If you truly were teachers in Israel, you would understand this.

[searchinmyroots]

Obviously this is your understanding, please don't tell us what our scriptures given to us mean.

It's amazing you think you understand the Hebrew bible more than those who know Hebrew and spent most of their lives reading it.

Every scroll, every verse, every word and every letter.

It would be nice if you applied this principle to Christian literature.

Blue Bird,

To be honest, I would have to guess the vast majority of people who call themselves Christians not only do not know what the original Greek really says and/or don't really care to know.

Hello searchingmyroots,

do you and most of the Jews outside of Israel speak Hebrew or study the Jewish Bible in its original language? I would guess that most Jews don't study the Tora at all (I may be wrong, but from what I heard here and from Jews elsewhere, Bible study is more of a incidental. Why do you think, you are in a position to judge Christians?

Your sages don't speak Greek, much less the original language of the New Testament, the ancient Greek. They haven't read from Matthew to Revelation, let alone studied verse by verse. Yet they believe they understand the New Testament and can afford to judge. I say they can't.

What you wish for, namely that others respect your texts and teachings, would, in my view, be fair if you also practice this attitude towards others. You aren't an aggressive anti-Christian missionary who doesn't respect his non-Jewish counterparts, are you?

(I don't know how that happened, somehow I posted this twice. then deleted one)

Blue Bird,

No, I do not speak Hebrew. But I do study the Hebrew bible in it's original language with the help of other's that do.

I think you are mistaken as many Jewish people study Torah in it's original language along with other Hebrew written sources.

I'm not judging Christians, sorry you see it that way. I'm just saying that I would guess that most Christians (although their are some that might) don't study their bible in the original language it was written in. Why is that being judgmental?

Are you sure our sages didn't speak Greek? How was the Septuagint interpreted then? Many current Rabbi's also understand Greek and what the words of the Christian bible from Matthew to Revelation actually mean. They are not "judging" as you claim, they are merely comparing what is written in the Christian bible as to what is written in the Hebrew bible.

I do respect other peoples texts and writings to a point. Not when they alter, add or leave out things from the Hebrew bible they are quoting.

Just as I'm going to guess you may not actually care for the teachings and additions to the Christian bible from the Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists.

Picture a Muslim coming on a Christian forum saying Jesus is not God but a prophet because that is what the Quran says. 

Would you accept that teaching on your forum? 

Do you respect those writings?

Would you be Anti-Quran if you voiced your opinion to what they say about your Christian bible?

[searchinmyroots]

The pride and base, blind judgment shown forth here is the reason a partial hardening has come to Jacob (the Jewish people). There truly is a remnant according to grace, but ultimately that remnant is according to the election and grace of God. Would that Abrahams children would follow in his footsteps and stop seeking to set up their own righteousness and submit to the righteousness of God by faith - Abraham yearned to see the days of Jesus, and before Abraham was, Jesus declared Himself as everlasting Father with the declaration "I am".

God desires His people to return to Him so that He might show them mercy and write His law in their hearts. If you truly were teachers in Israel, you would understand this.

ESchaible,

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to give you a warning here.

Writing about our "pride, blind judgement" is not acceptable.

There is nothing that indicates that Abraham yearned to "see the days of Jesus", that's just more Christian belief.

And if you actually understood Hebrew, you would understand what " Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh” really means.

If you continue this way, I'll have no other option than to put you on temporary ban.