Israel and the goy world

[COmentator]

Today I was compelled to write the following
OH Israel: Remember the story ofNoah and the Flood…he listed to the L-d warning and was saved….whose who refused to listen to the L-d were punished…an allegorical definition of this story could point points out the descendents of Easu and Ishamel {Goyish nations] were punished for refusing to listen to the L-d and instead waging eternal war on the people of the Book…only those who took the L-ds warning were saved (jewish people)  The flood represents the Goy nations attempt to “drown” Israel; Mount ararat represents The Land of Israel; the Ark represents the Torahl the Talmud the Oral Law,,the dove represents the remandier of the L-ds Promise to Israel via his promise to Abraham
All Israel is Bound to the Covenant  all the actions of Jewish Persons weather among themselves or among the goy nations will either serve as Ambassadors of the L-d or not remember…whereever Jewish persons reside do not let the temtations of Pride; arrogance; secular materalism or atheism cause Jewish persons by their actions to Dimish the values of the L-d to the rest of the world. Be  reminder to the Goy nations that the L-d exists but do not intermarry with them or dress like them or act like them at the caust of loosening the Covenent with the L-d.
To: Torah Scholors: Beware of the dangers of Pride and Arrogance
When having opposing viewpoints over the Torah—do so to try to understand and live the meaning of scripture; do not make dishonest arguments  In order to “win” disagreements over Torah Viewpoints..
Remember Phinehas who was zealus for the L-d yet  Phineas sinned due to his not availing his servitude of Torah instruction to the masses at the time leading up to the Battle of Gibeah. In addition, he also failed to address the needs of relieving Jephthah of his vow to sacrifice his daughter. As consequence, the high priesthood was taken from him and temporarily given to the offspring of Ithamar, essentially Eli and his sons. Likewise story serves as a warning against pride and the withholding of Torah knowledge. Phinehas lost his high-priestly dignity due to his haughty behavior towards Jephthah.. This incident highlights the importance of sharing Torah knowledge, even with those less educated.The Midrash teaches that both Phinehas and Jephthah were punished for their pride. Phinehas lost the divine spirit that had previously rested upon him, while Jephthah became ill and lost many of his limbs. This outcome emphasizes the severe consequences of allowing arrogance to prevent the sharing of crucial Torah knowledge.This cautionary tale reminds us that those well-versed in Torah have a responsibility to teach and guide others, regardless of their perceived status or knowledge level. It underscores the importance of humility and the obligation to share wisdom with all Jews, especially those who may lack a strong foundation in Torah observance
Remember Jephthah whose rash vow caused his daugthers death and brought  punishment on himself and Phinehas as well

To all Jewish persons..remember how the L-d was “..I am He who inflicted punishment upon Samson, Amnon, and Zimri, and who will inflict punishment upon any one who will act in accordance with their practices... “
Remember the actions of Samson who was consecrated to the L-d and when the Spirit of the L-d was on him defeated many enemies..yet because  As his eyes led him astray by lust, this was the reason he was blinded…
Remember because of Jair wickedness  who“ erected an altar unto Baal, and on penalty of death he forced the people to prostrate themselves before it.…Then the angel approached Jair, and said to him: "Hear the words of the Lord ere thou diest. I appointed thee as prince over my people, and thou didst break My covenant, seduce My people, and seek to burn My servants with fire, but they were animated and freed by the living, the heavenly fire. As for thee, thou wilt die, and die by fire, a fire in which thou wilt abide forever." Thereupon the angel burnt him with a thousand men, whom he had taken in the act of paying homage to Baal
Do not follow the actions of King Amon of Judah:”… according to a lost Jewish apocryphal writing, reads:
"No sin is more grievous than idolatry, for it is treason against God. Yet even this has been forgiven upon sincere repentance; but he that sins from a mere spirit of opposition, to see whether God will punish the wicked, shall find no pardon, although he say in his heart, 'I shall have peace in the end (by repenting), though I walk in the stubbornness of my evil heart'" (Deut. xxix. 19). Such a one was Amon, the son of Manasseh, for the (Apocryphal) Scripture says: "And Amon reasoned an evil reasoning of transgression and said: 'My father from his childhood was a great transgressor, and he repented in his old age. So will I now walk after the lust of my soul and afterward return to the Lord.' And he committed more evil in the sight of the Lord than all that were before him; but the Lord God speedily cut him off from this good land. And his servants conspired against him and slew him in his own house, and he reigned two years only." It is noteworthy that this very midrashic fragment casts light upon the emphatic teaching of the Mishnah (Yoma, viii. 9): "Whosoever says, 'I will sin and repent thereafter,' will not be granted the time for repentance.
Do not follow the actions of King Jehoiakim of Judah:”.. the Jerusalem Talmud cites him as an example of one who has forfeited his place in heaven by publicly transgressing the law.

Remember how the actionsof the Jewish people  brought about the death of King Josiah: “..also that Josiah's death was brought about because despite his sincere religious reform, he had in fact been deceived; thus he refused to heed the Prophet Jeremiah, thinking that no sword would pass through the Land of Israel. He was struck by 300 darts; he made no complaint except to acknowledge "The Lord is righteous, for I rebelled against His commandment.”
ve-samachta be-chagekha  dance with the Torah with a joyful heart; Jews who studied Talmud by heart while carrying stones on their back, those Jews who went on whispering Zemirot shel Shabbat

[COmentator]

OH Israel 
80 years ago the Nazis sang about Killing Jews
*1933-1946 6/9 Jews in Europe killed by the Nazis and their allies
*1920/1948  to present 90% of Jews in Arab/Muslin/North Africa/Asia have gone up to Israel after these nations adopted NAzi methods Judenfrei
Today the spirtual descendents of Esau and Ishamael  are carrying on their Nazi forefathers mission of making the world Judenfrei indeed since Israel declared themselves the only Jewish COuntry in the world    
How can anyone ever forget that them chanting "From the River to the Sea Palestine will be free"  ever since 7 october 2023?

TAke Note of the Flags in the poster  Palestine/PLO; Fatah; Hamas; Al-Qassam Brigade; Hezbollah

With "friends" like that-who needs enemies?

is there a jewish word for someone  who thinks that in order for jews to have peace with goy nations they must bow to goy demands -even if other jews are disadvanged by their actions?
While there isn't one single, universally accepted Jewish term for someone who thinks that Jews must bow to gentiles for peace, even if it disadvantages other Jews, several concepts and terms might be relevant to understanding this idea
Assimilation (Hitbolelut): The term refers to the gradual cultural assimilation and social integration of Jews into their surrounding culture. This can involve conforming to the dominant society's norms and potentially sacrificing certain Jewish practices or identities in exchange for acceptance or to avoid persecution.
Self-Hatred/Self-Loathing Jew: The term "self-hating Jew" or "self-loathing Jew" describes individuals who disparage or reject their Jewish identity or community, sometimes aligning with antisemitic perspectives or criticizing fellow Jews excessively. This term has been used to describe Jews who distance themselves from their heritage or community in hopes of acceptance from the majority culture, potentially even at the expense of other Jews.
Hellenization: The historical process of the adoption of Greek culture by Jews, particularly after the conquests of Alexander the Great. During the Hellenistic period, some Jews embraced Greek customs and beliefs, sometimes even abandoning their Jewish practices. This led to internal conflict and ultimately the Maccabean Revolt, which was fought to resist the forced assimilation of the Jewish people.
Kapos: A loaded term with a specific historical context related to the Holocaust. Kapos were prisoners in Nazi concentration camps, some of whom were Jewish, who were forced to oversee other prisoners and were sometimes given privileges by the Nazis. Their actions, particularly those who were cruel or collaborated with the Nazis, have led to the term "Kapo" being used as a severe pejorative in some Jewish circles for those perceived as betraying their fellow Jews.
In the context of the question, one could argue that a person advocating for "bowing to gentile demands" to achieve "peace" at the expense of other Jews might be seen as prioritizing a form of assimilation or compromise that could be perceived as detrimental to the well-being of the Jewish community. While "Kapo" is a much stronger and historically charged term, it highlights the potential for collaboration with oppressors to be seen as a form of betrayal.
Darchei Shalom (דרכי שלום): This Hebrew term, meaning "ways of peace," emphasizes maintaining peaceful relations with non-Jews. While it encourages coexistence, it does not necessarily imply sacrificing Jewish well-being.
Chilul Hashem (חילול השם): This term signifies "profanation of God's name," referring to actions that bring discredit to Judaism in the eyes of others. This concept is related to upholding Jewish values, but does not directly address appeasement at the expense of Jewish interests.
Jewish self-hatred: This socio-psychological concept describes a form of antisemitism where Jews internalize and express negative sentiments about their own identity or community. Some scholars suggest this can manifest as excessive appeasement towards non-Jews, potentially harming the Jewish community.
Nuance and perspective
Jewish communities hold diverse views on interacting with non-Jews. Sacrificing Jewish well-being for the sake of peace with non-Jews is generally not considered a core Jewish value and may be viewed critically by some.

[RabbiO]

The word “goy”, which simply means nation in Hebrew, is not in and of itself a pejorative epithet. Too often, though, it has come to be used in such a manner. When it is, it is just as inappropriate as using the word “kike” for a Jew, “wop” for an Italian, “spic” for Latinos. You’d be better served simply referring to people who are not Jewish as “non-Jews”.

I’m not holding my breath. You’ve clearly shown yourself here, and in other posts, to be, among things, a purveyor of hate. Which brings me to my second point.

In your post you implicitly accuse every Muslim, everywhere, of seeking the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews. That is nonsense. I could say more, but you’re not worth it.

[Robert]

The word “goy”, which simply means nation in Hebrew, is not in and of itself a pejorative epithet. Too often, though, it has come to be used in such a manner. When it is, it is just as inappropriate as using the word “kike” for a Jew, “wop” for an Italian, “spic” for Latinos. You’d be better served simply referring to people who are not Jewish as “non-Jews”.

I’m not holding my breath. You’ve clearly shown yourself here, and in other posts, to be, among things, a purveyor of hate. Which brings me to my second point.

In your post you implicitly accuse every Muslim, everywhere, of seeking the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews. That is nonsense. I could say more, but you’re not worth it.

RabbiO wrote:
" The word “goy”, which simply means nation in Hebrew, is not in and of itself a pejorative epithet.": 
Correct, and that is how it appears to be used in "COmentator's" posts on this thread and in the Discussion title.

RabbiO also wrote:
"Too often, though, it has come to be used in such a manner [as a pejorative epithet].": 
Correct, but  "COmentator" does not appear to have used it in that way.

RabbiO wrote:
"[...] you ["COmentator"] implicitly accuse every Muslim, everywhere, of seeking the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews.": 
That comment seems to be an emotional exaggeration. Rather the posts appear to be more critical of the Jewish people's relationship with Hashem in ancient times.

RabbiO also wrote:
"You’ve ["COmentator"] clearly shown yourself here, and in other posts, to be, among things, a purveyor of hate.": 
Where exactly?

[BlueBird2]

"Israel and the goy world" doesn't work well if you consider that God promised Abraham “I’ll make you a big goy” (וְאֶֽעֶשְׂךָ֙ לְג֣וֹי גָּד֔וֹל)

[Robert]

"Israel and the goy world" doesn't work well if you consider that God promised Abraham “I’ll make you a big goy” (וְאֶֽעֶשְׂךָ֙ לְג֣וֹי גָּד֔וֹל)

Genesis 12:2:
2. '[...] I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you, and I will aggrandize your name, and [you shall] be a blessing.'
Extract translation source:
https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo...ter-12.htm

I hope contributor "BlueBird2" is not suggesting that Hashem is using the word "Goy" pejoratively, since it is clear it is not being used in that way. 
If they are not suggesting that, what then is the import of their post?