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| How did 700,000 1948 Palestinian Arab “refugees” allegedly get to 5.5 million? |
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Posted by: Robert - 10-18-2021, 06:10 PM - Forum: Israel
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Whereas the Jewish people have Judah heritage (“Jew”=citizen of “Judah” - Judaism is both an ethnicity as well as a religion), by comparison the “Palestinian” Arabs have an artificial, unique, and arguably by common-sense a bogus refugee status, that passes through the generations, obtained from the Arab-dominated United Nations (below). It is a refugee device comparable to rules characteristic of obtaining a nationality. Not surprising then the “Palestinian” Arabs were awarded their own refugee agency: “The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East” (“UNRWA”).
What is the purpose of the “Palestinian” Arab unique, bogus-refugee status that passes through the generations?
The purpose of their refugee device is to inflate the number of alleged-refugees for bundling with their false-claim for a “right of return”, as a (fraudulent) means of “invading” Israel. It is a refugee status allowed in no other refugee situation - see:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/tw84ikb2o...s.pdf/file
The “Palestinian” Arab false-“right of return” is the use of their unique, bogus-refugee status, to inflate their 700,000 unverified 1948 war refugees, into today’s alleged 5.5 million bogus-refugees; a figure which in reality is simply a (fraudulent) means of “invading” Israel.
UNRWA.Org webpage seeking to defend the “Palestinian” Arab bogus refugee status that passes through the generations, while falsely-comparing the separate: “Derivative” status:
https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/features/...e-refugees
As the reader will appreciate such “Palestinian” Arab bogus-refugee status that passes through the generations, is something not permitted in any other refugee situation. This of course dishonestly distorts the number of refugees. Such dishonesty based on political bias cannot be imposed on Israel.
What about those “Palestinian Refugee Camps”?
How do the “Palestinian” Arab purported refugee-camps obtain their status as “refugee camps”?
Simply by the presence within them of those “Palestinian Arab refugees” having their unique bogus-refugee status that passes through the generations:
https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees
Therefore the “Palestinian” Arabs find it convenient to mislead the world about their true status, by calling many of their towns: “refugee camps” in order to fraudulently tap international aid money.
From where did the “Palestinian” Arab obtain their bogus refugee status?
The “Palestinian” Arabs obtained their bogus refugee status from the Arab-dominated United Nations.
U.N. polices are fully-complicit with “Palestinian” Arab propaganda denying Jewish roots in the land of Israel. The U.N. built-in pro-Palestinian bias is due to its block-vote of what is now up to 56 Arab and additional Islamic-aligned countries (e.g. U.N. member states that are now also members of the “Organization of Islamic Cooperation” and follow its policies when voting in the U.N.), plus the influence of Arab oil money with consequential trading-power; compared to Israel being just one country.
Israel was Re-established in 1948 following a United Nations Partition Plan under resolution 181, which had sought to set up two states, one Jewish and one Arab. The then Palestinian Jewish Community had accepted the U.N. Partition Plan, but it requires more than one party to constitute an agreement. The “Palestinian” Arab response was in 1947 to start a civil war and terror to oppose the U.N. Partition Plan and instead take ALL the land of Israel, a primary objective of which (example below) was to ethnically-cleanse or murder the Jewish population from the Jews ancestral-homeland of Israel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80..._Palestine
Refugees are a sad characteristic of war but the Arab countries did not need to attack the newly re-established Israel in 1948 with intentions same as the “Palestinian” Arabs, to expel or murder the Jews. Some “Palestinian” Arabs were made refugees, just as there were caused at the same time also Jewish refugees.
There is no evidence of any policy by Israel to cause “Palestinian” Arabs to leave the land of Israel, but rather the Arabs were under the impression (encouraged by Arab propaganda of the time) that they could return (rather quickly as they assumed) once the new state had been destroyed. Due to the civil war they started Arabs were displaced within the land of Israel, but there is no evidence of any expulsion of Arabs from the land of Israel.
Jews were indeed expelled by the Arabs as policy:
In 1948 Jordan illegally-occupied (that part of) Judah/Samaria (since known as the “West Bank”), and East Jerusalem from which the Jordanians expelled the Jews:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamizati...occupation
“Palestinian” Arab propaganda falsely-alleges the Re-establishment of Israel caused: a “great injustice” / “nakba” (“catastrophe” / “disaster”) to the “Palestinian” Arabs.
In reality:
> The “Palestinian” Arabs violently rejected the Arab state of the United Nations Partition Plan;
> Jordan and Egypt occupied the land proposed for an Arab state under the U.N. Partition Plan (approximating to the West Bank and Gaza);
> BOTH Arabs and Jews, became war-refugees;
> The Palestinians falsely-claim with no evidence of any such policy that they were expelled from the land; Jews were indeed expelled by the Arabs as policy (for example from Jerusalem (above)).
> “Palestinian” Arabs live and work in Israel.
Therefore the reader is entitled to be skeptical about “Palestinian” Arab propaganda alleging a fantasy-injustice.
One argument has it that Arab refugees had owned land / homes in the land of Israel, but land / home ownership does not of itself amount to proof of entitlement to the sovereignty of the country in which a community lives.
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| Old Sephardi Guy From Texas |
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Posted by: Daryavesh - 10-17-2021, 04:20 AM - Forum: Introductions
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Old Sephardi guy from Texas here. Was told of this forum by a friend, so stopped by.
I am new here. 1st post. Not sure of the minhag. So will make an introduction as a beginning.
Our family's roots in Judaism are formed by the intermarriage in America of two groups of refugees who arrived here over 200 years apart.
The first of my family to arrive here in America were Sephardim who made their way to Portugal following the edict of expulsion from Spain. And when faced with the same situation in Portugal a few short years following, made their way Northward through Europe. Settling in the region of Elsass und Lothringen along the French and German border. And when the edict of Nantes granting relative freedom of worship in France to both protestant Christian and Jew alike was revoked, making their way to refuge in the Netherlands. These family members joined the French and English religious separatists and dissidents then living in exile in the city of Leyden. And in the mid-1600s, 3 brothers of my family joined the English separatists sailing to America.
The second group to arrive consisted of 3 brothers, as well. They were Mountain Jews who had traveled Northward from Persia and had settled in the Caucasus region of Eastern Europe in the area of what is now Azerbaijan. These brothers traveled to America in the early 1900s to escape the increasing violence against Jews as Tzarist forces initiated pogroms against them in the years leading up to the Bolshevik Revolution. Mountain Jews are neither Sephardim nor Ashkenazim ethnically, so I believe my ancestors on that side are best described as Mizrahim based upon DNA testing, culture and language.
So I am all these things...... However, I identify as Sephardi because that is the culture and religious tradition that is most predominate within our extended family.
Shalom to all,
Daryavesh
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| Iran and Bombing of Pan AM Flight 103 1988 |
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Posted by: Nooone - 10-16-2021, 02:14 PM - Forum: Israel
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The US [[Defense Intelligence Agency]] alleges that [[Ali Akbar Mohtashamipur]] (''Ayatollah Mohtashemi''), a member of the Iranian government, paid US$10 million for the bombing:
{{Quote|Ayatollah Mohtashemi: (...) and was the one who paid the same amount to bomb Pan Am Flight 103 in retaliation for the [[Iran Air Flight 655|US shoot-down of the Iranian Airbus]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.dia.mil/Portals/27/Documents/FOIA/5%20USC%20%C2%A7%20552(A)(2)(D)%20Records/Other%20Available%20Records/panam103.pdf|title=PAN AM Flight 103|publisher=[[Defense Intelligence Agency]], DOI 910200, page 49/50 (Pages 7 and 8 in PDF document, see also p. 111ff)|access-date=12 January 2010}}</ref>}}
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