7/25/2024
Note will send off 3 queries to different Ask the Rabbi today
in two parts: When Moses at the L-d direction lead the 1st Exodus from Egypt only about 20% of Jews left--does the Torah explain why did the other 80% refuse to leave? Also starting with the Shoah of 80 years ago of Jewish Communites in Europe and continuting with the exodus to Israel of 90% of Jews in Arab/Muslin lands--is this present day exodus seen by devout Jews as a forerunner in the coming of the anointed one?
received 07/25/2024
Chabbad No 6328923
B"H
Hi ,
What great questions!
The answer to your first question can be found in Midrashic teachings such as Shemos Rabbah, Targum Yonason, Tanchuma, and Sefer HaYashar. In short, there were millions of Israelites who had collaborated with the Egyptians and gained much power and wealth. As such, they didn't want to leave. This is alluded to in Rashi's commentary on the verse that describes the plague of darkness (Exodus 10:22
https://www.chabad.org/9871).
The second question is much more complicated and there are various viewpoints that range from one extreme to the other. The Talmud (Megillah 17b
https://www.chabad.org/5447990) uses the term 'Ischalta d'Geula' to describe events that signal the commencement of the redemption. The context of the Talmudic discussion is the redemption on an individual level, however, the term is also used to refer to the redemption on a national level. The debate among "devout Jews" is how we interpret the events of the past 80 years.
Maimonides teaches in Mishneh Torah, Melachim uMilchamot - Chapter 11
https://www.chabad.org/1188356, the events that must happen for us to know with certainty that redemption has begun and is complete. May it be speedily in our times!
Please feel free to respond with any further questions or comments you may have.
All the best,
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On 07/28/2024 received this answer from Aish Torah Ask A Rabbi
Dear
Thank you for contacting us. Our Rabbis explain to us that the 80 percent were so entrenched into their reality and culture of Egypt that they simply lost the will to leave. Regarding the current reality, yes, most traditional Jews view the current return to the land as the forerunner to our ultimate redemption.
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Rabbi Yoni Miller
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The 80% who will never leave Egypt not evento save their own lives
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/beshalac...NS4wLjAuMA..
Chuck Schumer’s betrayal: Letters to the Editor — Nov. 7, 2024 (msn.com)
7/25/2024 answer from Dinonline
Answer:
Hello, I can't know what the future holds, as I am not going to play prophet, though when he comes we will have all the answers then. Have a good day
Sources:
Kollel “Choshen Mishpat” was founded in 1995. The founders’ goal was to raise the public’s awareness to the Mitzvos Bein Adam Lechavero and to the Halachos pertaining to Dinei Mamonos (financial matters). At the head of the institution stand Rabbi Yosef Fleischman Shlit”a and Rabbi Asher Flegg Shlit”a. The Kollel numbers around 120 scholars, many of whom received Semicha (Halachic ordination) for Rabbinate and Dayanut both from Gedolei Yisrael and from the Chief Rabbinate of Israel. The alumni of the Kollel serve as Dayanim in Batei Dinim around the world and in the Kollel’s Beis Din.
Those who refuse to leave Egypt
https://aish.com/number_of_jews_at_exodu...%20forever.
Note on the 80% who refused to leave Egypt...."80 percent of enslaved jews,-those unwilling to leave Egypt-died by the Hand of H-aven during the Ninth Plague [Darkness] See Rashi to Sh'mos 13.18
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_c...dium=email&utm_source=1_chabad.org_magazine_en&utm_campaign=en&utm_content=content
https://torah.org/torah-portion/percepti...imes%20did.)
https://torah.org/torah-portion/percepti...God%20said:
What is so incredibly scary as how pervasive and relevant this statistic is to modern Jewry. Accounts over the entirety of Jewish history in the diaspora point to a very similar percentage of people who assimilate and effectively abandon Judaism. As the Pew study of 2013 so horrifically indicates, the number of Jews who are apethetic towards Judaism and don't even identify in any substantial way as Jews is staggering. Moreover, the enormous reality and pervasiveness of intermarriage, as well as it's acceptance, is truly an existential threat to Judaism. Judaism, for the majority of Jews, is something detached from their lives and their concern.
We must all ensure that, to the degree possible, we recognize Judaism's centrality in our lives and inspire others to realize this as well.
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-only-1-5-o...he-midrash
https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questi...and-abiram
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Settling the Land of Israel
https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_c...Status.htm
https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_c...Israel.htm
Also lessons Getting Jewish priotities straight
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_c...Jordan.htm
https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_c...raight.htm
https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_c...onists.htm
https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_c...picion.htm
While there isn't a single, universally recognized Jewish term that precisely encapsulates the belief you described – that Jews must live outside Israel under non-Jewish rule until the Messiah arrives and leads them back – there are groups and ideologies within Judaism that hold some of those views.
Neturei Karta: This is a Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) Jewish group that holds fiercely anti-Zionist views. They believe that Jews are forbidden to establish self-rule in the biblical Land of Israel until the Messiah comes to redeem them. They interpret a passage from the Talmud, known as "The Three Oaths", as evidence that Jews are forbidden to return to Israel en masse or by force until God brings about the messianic era.
Satmar Hasidism: This is another Haredi group with strong anti-Zionist beliefs, sharing some similarities with Neturei Karta in their opposition to the State of Israel. They also believe the Jewish people are in exile due to their sins and that only the Messiah can lead them back to the Holy Land.
Important considerations
Not a universal Jewish belief: These viewpoints are considered fringe even within Haredi Judaism. The vast majority of Jews, including many Orthodox Jews, do not share these extreme views on Zionism and the role of the Messiah in their return to Israel.
Controversy and relationships: Neturei Karta in particular has generated controversy for its associations with anti-Israel and anti-Zionist groups, including attending conferences questioning the Holocaust and meeting with leaders of groups seeking the destruction of Israel.
Focus on the Messiah: The core of their belief system centers on the idea that the Jewish exile is a divine decree and that only a divinely sent Messiah can lead the Jewish people back to the Land of Israel, not human efforts.
Galut: The concept of Galut (exile) is a fundamental one in Judaism, reflecting the historical reality of the Jewish people living outside their homeland under foreign rule. However, the interpretations and implications of Galut vary greatly within different Jewish traditions.
In summary, while there isn't one specific term for the belief you describe, the groups mentioned above, especially Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism, hold views that align with many aspects of your description, emphasizing the need for the Messiah's arrival before a return to Israel and the role of living in the diaspora under gentile rule until the
While there isn't one specific Jewish word that perfectly encapsulates the viewpoint you've described, there are movements and terms within Judaism that align with portions of it:
Related concepts and movements
Anti-Zionism: This broad term encompasses various viewpoints opposing the existence of the State of Israel. Some religious Anti-Zionist groups believe that the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the Messiah is a violation of divine decree.
Neturei Karta: This is a prominent ultra-Orthodox Jewish group known for its extreme anti-Zionist stance. They believe that a Jewish state should only exist upon the arrival of the Messiah.
"Three Oaths": Some religious Jews interpret a passage in the Talmud (Ketubot 111a) as three oaths taken by the Jewish people, one of which forbids them from ascending to the Land of Israel as a group using force or rebelling against the nations of the world.
"Living under Esau and Ishmael": This is a medieval Jewish interpretation of living under Christian ("Edom" / "Esau") and Muslim ("Ishmael") rule during the diaspora. This concept reflects the historical reality of Jewish life in different lands.
It is important to note
Diversity of views: Not all religious Jews who oppose Zionism adhere to all aspects of the viewpoint you've described. There is a wide spectrum of opinions regarding the return to Israel, the role of the Messiah, and the relationship between Jews and other nations.
Historical context: The concept of living under Esau and Ishmael was developed in medieval times and reflects the specific historical circumstances of Jewish communities in those periods.
Controversy and opposition: Groups like Neturei Karta represent a fringe element within Judaism and their views are highly controversial within the wider Jewish community.
In conclusion, while there's no single term for the complex viewpoint you've outlined, understanding Anti-Zionism, particularly the religious Anti-Zionist groups like Neturei Karta and their interpretation of the "Three Oaths", as well as the historical concept of living "under Edom and Ishmael", can shed light on some of its core tenets
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