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What about the prophecies of old testament?
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(07-04-2020, 05:36 PM)George Wrote:
(06-30-2020, 09:25 PM)Ismq Wrote: How the judaism explain the phropecies about jesus?e.g isaiah 53: 3-12.

(07-02-2020, 10:27 PM)searchinmyroots Wrote: I just read your post again and I see you made some revisions.

So yes, the servant was rejected.

Yes, the servant would not open his mouth.

No, nothing about crucified with criminals, where does it say that?

No, nothing about being a sacrifice for sin, where does it say that?

You cannot take a line here and there and understand the content unless you read and understand the whole of what is written.

Since I answered your questions, maybe you can answer mine -

Did Jesus have many deaths?

Is Jesus in the plural?

Was Jesus wounded from the sin of others and by his knowledge we are justified?

Was Jesus guilty of sin?

All of this is clearly written in Isaiah 53. If just one of the answers is no, then it cannot apply to Jesus.

(07-03-2020, 05:41 PM)searchinmyroots Wrote:
(07-03-2020, 04:39 PM)George Wrote: It is documented with the thoughts of Jewish Rabbis.

As I mentioned previously, unless you understand the whole of what was written in it's entirety, then just quoting some lines here and there have no meaning.


I'm not sure why Christians quote the rabbi's, unless of course it seems to be for their agenda. 

Do you know some of those same rabbi's adamantly reject the thought that Jesus was the awaited Jewish messiah?

So quote the rabbi's when it looks like Jesus but dismiss them when they say he wasn't the messiah.

If all you wrote that was quoted makes it so clear that Isaiah 53 is speaking about Jesus, why didn't the rabbi's who wrote those quotes agree?

(07-04-2020, 03:58 PM)Dana Wrote:
(07-03-2020, 09:26 PM)searchinmyroots Wrote: It just seems so strange that some think they can understand the Hebrew bible without understanding Hebrew, the language it is written in!

Thank you Searchin for sharing the link written by Uri Yosef!   I don't think I've ever read a more thorough demonstration, revealing the differences between the KJV and the Hebrew Bible.  Clearly, gross misinterpretations do occur without a strong understanding of the Hebrew language after reading some of the attempts on this thread to counter.  

If you don't mind I'd like to share something written in the Preface of Rabbi Singer's - Let's Get Biblical textbook, by Gavriel Aryeh Sanders, a former Christian who had changed his name after converting to Judaism.  Supportive to what you have written.

While as a Christian he had a passion for winning Jewish souls which led him to move to Israel to study the Hebrew language while teaching English. What he did not expect was that the studies of Hebrew began to cause fractures in his faith, and eventually, "the English translations I knew so well appeared either mistranslated or taken out of context when compared with the Hebrew original."  

One question he asked,  "Was Christianity true because I believed it- or did I believe it because it was true?"  I believe for most people things seem "true" because we believe them. We run with the narratives we've been taught and look to insert and validate them.

I don't like the KJV either; I think it is a very poor translation, but scholars, not layman, read the Jewish Scriptures in their original languages.


Still, I'd take the word of an honest layman with a strong knowledge of Hebrew over that of a scholar with a Christian agenda over riding what the Hebrew text actually reads.
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RE: What about the prophecies of old testament? - by Dana - 07-04-2020, 06:29 PM

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