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Innocent People
#1
If G-d said in Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder" then why did He command to kill babies (innocent people, therefore this would be murder) in 1 Samuel 15: 3?
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#2
Mauriac,

I sort of answered this in another one of your posts when I said G-d's ways are not our ways.

I'm not saying I understand it at all but then again, I guess I'm not supposed to understand.

Also, it's not like the people made their own decision to murder others, it was a command given by G-d.

You do have a lot very good questions and I hope we have been able to address them.

But I don't see any replies from you as to what you think or if they help.
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#3
(01-08-2021, 01:07 AM)searchinmyroots wrote: Mauriac,

I sort of answered this in another one of your posts when I said G-d's ways are not our ways.

I'm not saying I understand it at all but then again, I guess I'm not supposed to understand.

Also, it's not like the people made their own decision to murder others, it was a command given by G-d.

You do have a lot very good questions and I hope we have been able to address them.

But I don't see any replies from you as to what you think or if they help.

The truth is, I don't know if any answer satisfies me. I try to have faith, but I am a person who questions everything. I pray to G-d to give me faith, but I feel like I am too rational a person.

I hope I have explained myself well.
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#4
Yes, thank you for your explanation and for being open!

The reality is we probably will never know the answers to many questions. So we have to educate ourselves, make rational moral decisions and live life to its fullest!

Of course since there are a lot of the "unknown" things that brings us to questions where sometimes we just need to have some faith that there is something else out there.

But of course everyone's beliefs are different and that's okay.

We are all on this journey of life so lets live it!
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#5
(01-08-2021, 12:31 AM)Mauriac wrote: If G-d said in Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder" then why did He command to kill babies (innocent people, therefore this would be murder) in 1 Samuel 15: 3?

Mauriac,in the bible you'll find many unanswerable questions that we,the humans beings cannot answer.
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(01-08-2021, 01:55 AM)searchinmyroots wrote: Yes, thank you for your explanation and for being open!

The reality is we probably will never know the answers to many questions. So we have to educate ourselves, make rational moral decisions and live life to its fullest!

Of course since there are a lot of the "unknown" things that brings us to questions where sometimes we just need to have some faith that there is something else out there.

But of course everyone's beliefs are different and that's okay.

We are all on this journey of life so lets live it!

Thank you very much for your understanding. G-d bless you.
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(01-08-2021, 02:55 AM)Ismq wrote:
(01-08-2021, 12:31 AM)Mauriac wrote: If G-d said in Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder" then why did He command to kill babies (innocent people, therefore this would be murder) in 1 Samuel 15: 3?

Mauriac,in the bible you'll find many unanswerable questions that we,the humans beings cannot answer.

I Understand. Thank you.
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#8
And also there's mysteries in the bible.
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#9
There is another way of thinking about this, although it may seem cruel.

Sometimes things happen for a reason we may not know or foresee. There may be a positive result in the future. Of course it does seem tragic people have to suffer for that, but hey, that's the way life is and we really do not have control over it.

Here are a few examples -

Someone may have to die from something that is experimental only for it to be perfected to save many lives in the future. So innocent people die to keep others alive.

Some people have to be isolated to protect others. Whether that be for a pandemic as we now see or for some other reason like they have psychological issues. So innocent people live a life of separation.

Another example is war. Of course the best scenario would be if there weren't any and people could find a way to compromise and settle their differences, but we know that isn't always going to be the case. So innocent people die for a cause.


And then of course there is the animal kingdom where we see innocent, usually the sick or vulnerable, become food for others. Is it fair? From our standpoint maybe not. But obviously for the animal it is or else they would starve and die.
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(01-10-2021, 09:34 PM)searchinmyroots wrote: There is another way of thinking about this, although it may seem cruel.

Sometimes things happen for a reason we may not know or foresee. There may be a positive result in the future. Of course it does seem tragic people have to suffer for that, but hey, that's the way life is and we really do not have control over it.

Here are a few examples -

Someone may have to die from something that is experimental only for it to be perfected to save many lives in the future. So innocent people die to keep others alive.

I thought this did seem cruel with a sense of the end result justifying the means.  More human driven rather than coming from a G-d of justice and mercy.  The same G-d of Exodus 22:21 who hears the cries of the widow and orphan would not be indifferent to the suffering of innocents.   It would be as if  G-d went from the personal to the abstract.


While I believe things can happen for a reason I find reassurance in verses such as Isaiah 55:8 & 9 that remind us the ways and thoughts of people are not even close to how G-d's ways and thoughts are.



Genesis 50:20 - "As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today."

I've drawn comfort from the Genesis verse as a reminder that G-d is in control even when people, leaders,  make bad decisions that can have adverse effects on others.

A note to any readers on the forum. I am not Jewish nor am I here to teach but I come here to ask questions and learn from some of the responses.
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