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What about the prophecies of old testament?
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(06-30-2020, 09:25 PM)Ismq Wrote: How the judaism explain the phropecies about jesus?e.g isaiah 53: 3-12.

(07-02-2020, 10:27 PM)searchinmyroots Wrote: I just read your post again and I see you made some revisions.

So yes, the servant was rejected.

Yes, the servant would not open his mouth.

No, nothing about crucified with criminals, where does it say that?

No, nothing about being a sacrifice for sin, where does it say that?

You cannot take a line here and there and understand the content unless you read and understand the whole of what is written.

Since I answered your questions, maybe you can answer mine -

Did Jesus have many deaths?

Is Jesus in the plural?

Was Jesus wounded from the sin of others and by his knowledge we are justified?

Was Jesus guilty of sin?

All of this is clearly written in Isaiah 53. If just one of the answers is no, then it cannot apply to Jesus.

(07-03-2020, 05:41 PM)searchinmyroots Wrote:
(07-03-2020, 04:39 PM)George Wrote: It is documented with the thoughts of Jewish Rabbis.

As I mentioned previously, unless you understand the whole of what was written in it's entirety, then just quoting some lines here and there have no meaning.


I'm not sure why Christians quote the rabbi's, unless of course it seems to be for their agenda. 

Do you know some of those same rabbi's adamantly reject the thought that Jesus was the awaited Jewish messiah?

So quote the rabbi's when it looks like Jesus but dismiss them when they say he wasn't the messiah.

If all you wrote that was quoted makes it so clear that Isaiah 53 is speaking about Jesus, why didn't the rabbi's who wrote those quotes agree?

(07-05-2020, 01:24 PM)GavrielbenNoah77 Wrote: I myself had been a sincere and truly believing christian for many, many years, since my childhood. I even studied theology at an regular university for three semesters. I can understand the motivation, preventing other people from being "doomed" thru telling them the "true christian faith". But, in my opinion, coming to a jewish forum and trying to proselytize seems to be very, very impolite.

G-d has an ancient covenant with the people of israel. Jesus himself (as far as we know today according to modern christian theology) observed the Torah. The apostles did it also.

I would recommend to research the role of the apostle Paul and the early church history (on scientifically resilient sources of course). Do your own research and draw your own conclusions.

For me, as I described above, it took three semesters at the university to understand. I quit the studies and I was very embittered.

I then focused my studies to the roots: who is G-d? When did HE contact mankind and how did HE do it? What did G-d say? How did HE be behave? What did G-d expect from the humans? What happened with Adam, Noah, and the other patriarchs? What were the incidents round about the people of Israel, what was the role of Moses? What was the Holy Temple and  what role did it play? And the most important question to me was: can we have a connection to G-d today and if, how? What does HE expect from us?

As for me: I found my answers!

I think you have the right approach.  Do your own homework and then make a decision.  That is what I did when I wasn't a believer in God.  I started with: "is there a God and who is He?

I knew next to nothing about what the Bible said; I studied the Jewish Scriptures and the New Testament Scriptures.  I wanted to know who Jesus was; who he thought he was and also studied Apostle Paul.
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RE: What about the prophecies of old testament? - by George - 07-05-2020, 02:45 PM

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