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Israel: Is lack of factual information why some Jews believe “Palestinian” Arab propaganda?
#1
Typical examples of “Palestinian” Arab falsehood propaganda, together with a brief rebuttal:
 
The Jews:
 
i) Invaded a place called “Palestine”:
Proper name = Israel / Judah.
“Palestine” is the Roman attempted-rename, only twice in history used as a name for the land, but by foreign imperial powers: the Romans, and the British.
There never has been any indigenous “Palestine” sovereign state.
(Why call it “Palestine”?: Because it would not make such effective propaganda to accuse the JEWS of stealing “JUDAH”!)
 
ii) Stole the Land from the “Palestinians”:
Israel is Re-established within the Jewish ancestral homeland. The last indigenous sovereign state in the land of Israel prior to modern Israel, was the post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom of Judah.
Reference is made to Kings of Biblical Israel in the Quran!:
See the examples within:
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=796&pid=5310 - pid5310
The Jews are indigenous to their ancestral homeland of Israel and despite partial-exile, have had unbroken presence there from Biblical times - see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi...e_(region)
 
iii) Expelled the “Palestinians” (Arabs):
That is reverse-fact propaganda, the purpose of the civil war which intensified 1947 by the Arabs being to ethnically-cleanse or murder the Jewish population. No evidence of any policy to expel Arabs, but the Jews were expelled from East Jerusalem by the Jordanians in 1948:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamizati...occupation
 
iv) Are a Colony:
Since the “Palestinian” Arabs arrived in the land of Israel well after its indigenous Jews, this makes the “Palestinian” Arabs the “settler-colonists”; not the Jews - See above link for Demographic history, and see the Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom.
Of the 100 most-prevalent “Palestinian” Arab surnames, 16 surnames had the highest incidence in the ‘Palestine region’ (2014), while the remaining 84 “Palestinian” Arab surnames had the highest incidence in countries other than the ‘Palestine region’ (2014): Information source “forebears.io”:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/9d115bv6w...d.pdf/file
 
The “Palestinian” Arabs mostly originate from Foreign-Arab-Migrant-Workers who came to the land of Israel just prior to, and during the British Mandate, to take advantage of higher wages through Jewish returnee-exiles:
Example source: “Arab Immigration to Historic Palestine: A Survey”, by Richard Mather:
https://richardmatherblog.wordpress.com/2015/05/
 
Why mention that? Because following the Oslo Accords, the “Palestinian” Arabs continue to falsely-claim all the land (with zero evidence); while also claiming reverse-fact falsehood propaganda that the Jews are invaders and the Arabs are native.
 
v) Are in Illegal “Occupation” of the Land - The United Nations says so!:
The “Palestinian” Arabs start-off in U.N. General Assembly votes by enjoying a block-vote in their favour of up to 56 Arab and additional Islamic-aligned countries e.g. U.N. member states that are also members of the “Organization of Islamic Cooperation” and follow its policies when voting in the U.N.
 
vi) Build Illegal “Settlements”:
See the previous paragraph. Further, when the U.N. Security Council has passed resolutions against Israel, it has previously been during the tenure of U.S. Democratic Party Presidents who chose to use their vote in accordance with their, and their Party’s, support of the “Palestinian” Arabs.
 
“Jew”=citizen of “Judah” - Judaism is both an ethnicity as well as a religion.
Israel / the Jewish people logically, cannot:
“Invade”, or Steal, or “Illegally-Settle”, or “be a Colony on”, or Illegally-Occupy,
its OWN ancestral homeland!


Edit:
Edited to replace the URL for the Richard Mather article (the final URL in this post) with a valid URL.
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#2
Robert, if I may submit the following in support of your post......

Excerpted from the article linked below (which in turn quotes PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein's admission in a 1977 interview from the Dutch newspaper 'Trouw')......

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/02...t-spencer/

Syrian President Hafez Assad once told Yasser Arafat: “You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people.”

Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly put it simply on February 2, 1970: “Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is only one land, with one history and one and the same fate.”

PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein likewise acknowledged that the 'Palestinian people' are a 'construct' (a propaganda invention) in a 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."


Abdul Hamid Sharif, the Prime Minister of Jordan, would have agreed. He said in 1980: “The Palestinians and Jordanians do not belong to different nationalities. They hold the same Jordanian passports, are Arabs and have the same Jordanian culture.”

King Hussein of Jordan put it most succinctly of all in 1981: “The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan."

Additional references to Zahir Muhsein's quote......

https://jtf.org/palestinian-people-do-not-exist/

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/13700

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/was-ther...r-to-1964/

All the best,

Daryavesh
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#3
(10-17-2021, 06:08 AM)Daryavesh wrote: ...there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people...
And even Syria isn't just Syria. An apartment neighbor of mine is a refugee from Syria proper, given that British colonialism designed artificial borders within territory now occupied by Arabs of which were originally settled by distinct ethnic tribes such as the true Egyptians, Hittites, Phoenicians and, of course, Jews. He himself is an Assyrian Coptic Christian of whom has one of those Icon paintings, as seen in Eastern Orthodox churches, hanging on his wall. He was telling me that things were fine there, until repression was applied to non-Muslims after the Six-Day War. Before that, Muslims, Jews and Christians used to interact and lived peacefully with one another, he said.
Residing here in Germany, since 2015 I've been seeing refugees of whose visual features differ from those of the usual economic refugees. This is because once homogeneous settlements have been disrupted by the infiltration of the ultra-fundamentalists who have been destroying not only the ancient artifacts of which record the distinct identity of the ancestors lineating from these still homogeneous groups (Palmira being the most dramatic example of such senseless destruction):

http://www.heritageforpeace.org/syria-co...geography/

[Image: Syria-Languages.png]
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#4
Daryavesh - I much appreciate your response. 

The reason for the Syrian reaction to which you refer is likely because under the Ottoman Turkish occupation of Eretz Ysrael, the Ottomans never used any such political term as "Palestine" which has never existed as any indigenous sovereign state. Rather, Ottoman occupied Eretz Ysrael was within the Ottoman province of "Syria" (an area aka "Southern Syria") - Observe the map of Ottoman Syria" on the right side of the following webpage: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Syria


The Amended Palestinian National Charter (1968) - English, Article 5 defines the “Palestinians” as Arab: 
- - - - Start of extract: - - - -

“Article 5: The Palestinians are those Arab nationals [...]”

Extract source: 
http://ecf.org.il/media_items/677

- - - - End of extract - - - -


Why did the “Palestinian” Arabs decide to falsely-claim they are native to the land of Israel? 
The purpose of League of Nations (later the United Nations) Mandates such as the one awarded to Great Britain, was to develop the territory for the benefit of its native people: 
- - - - Start of extract: - - - -

“Two governing principles formed the core of the Mandate System, being non-annexation of the territory and its administration as a “sacred trust of civilisation” to develop the territory for the benefit of its native people.”

Extract source: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations_mandate

- - - - End of extract - - - -


Why did the British Mandate document 1922 after providing for a “national home for the Jewish people”, follow with a provision different for the “existing non-Jewish communities” (the Arabs); compared to the provision it made for the Jews?

 
Both the Balfour Declaration 1917 and the British Mandate document 1922, quote:
- - - - Start of extract: - - - -
 
Regarding the Jews:
[...] the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, [...]
 
(Continued) Regarding the “existing non-Jewish communities” (the Arabs):
[...] it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine [...]
 
Source for Balfour Declaration 1917:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
 
Source for League of Nations Mandate document (English) 1922:
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp
 
- - - - End of extract - - - -
 
Why then the different wording for the Arabs compared to the Jews? For the following reasons:
 
1) League of Nations Mandates were for developing the Mandate territory for the benefit of its native people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations_mandate
 
2) The Jews were considered native to the land, while at the time it was well-known the Arabs in the land mostly originated from Foreign-Arab-Migrant-Workers:
See the following sources:
 
i) “Arab Immigration to Historic Palestine: A Survey”, by Richard Mather:
https://richardmatherblog.wordpress.com/2015/05/

ii) “Arab Migration Shaped Palestinian Society” - The Ettinger Report.com:
http://theettingerreport.com/arab-migrat...n-society/
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#5
Thank you, Robert. Excellent reference links. I would assume the Ottoman Turks made no mention of 'Palestinians' because priour to 1948, 'Palestine' was taken to mean 'Israel'.

It wasn't until the mid-1960s that historical revisionists and propagandists within the Arab world came up with the construct 'Palestinian'. Indeed, I never heard mention of such a term until just following the 1967 War.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1961-1968/arab-israeli-war-1967

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/myths-and-facts-the-1967-six-day-war


All the best to you and yours,

Daryavesh
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#6
Quote:And even Syria isn't just Syria. An apartment neighbor of mine is a refugee from Syria proper, given that British colonialism designed artificial borders within territory now occupied by Arabs of which were originally settled by distinct ethnic tribes such as the true Egyptians, Hittites, Phoenicians and, of course, Jews. He himself is an Assyrian Coptic Christian of whom has one of those Icon paintings, as seen in Eastern Orthodox churches, hanging on his wall. He was telling me that things were fine there, until repression was applied to non-Muslims after the Six-Day War. Before that, Muslims, Jews and Christians used to interact and lived peacefully with one another, he said.

Residing here in Germany, since 2015 I've been seeing refugees of whose visual features differ from those of the usual economic refugees. This is because once homogeneous settlements have been disrupted by the infiltration of the ultra-fundamentalists who have been destroying not only the ancient artifacts of which record the distinct identity of the ancestors lineating from these still homogeneous groups (Palmira being the most dramatic example of such senseless destruction):

http://www.heritageforpeace.org/syria-co...geography/


Points well taken, Alan! On a personal note...... A friend sent me this link recently. It is one of many relating ongoing discoveries as sections of the City of David are unearthed......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43NbzpDa...ityofDavid

I am glad beyond my ability to express in words that they are saving these remnants of the ancient city for all to see. The Arabs are doing all they can in the chambers and corridors beneath the Temple Mount to destroy all evidence of Jewish history. I sincerely hope they can be stopped. I have always believed that the Arc of the Covenant is hidden there off the lower level door and corridor the Levites used when they came in the separate entrance along the Western Wall that was reserved for them.

Regarding your neighbour...... There is a woman here in America who made her way here from Lebanon some years ago. Like your neighbour, she is a Coptic Christian and she said the 1967 War was the point of demarcation in Lebanon, as well. Following that, both Jews and Christians alike were targeted by militant Islamists. She is quite outspoken and uses the nom de plume 'Brigitte Gabriel'. In relating her personal story, I recall her saying that as children in Lebanon, Coptic Christians were taught to distrust Jews much as Muslims were.

But then war came and her family were living a day to day existence in a bomb shelter as radicalized Muslims searched for Jews and Christians alike to kill them...... Her views on that changed. For when help finally arrived, it was the IDF and she and her family owe their lives to the Israelis. It was at that point her eyes were opened and she began to see the world and those within it for who and what they truly were.

So now she is here in America and speaks publicly on the dangers of radical Islam, that the fate that befell her native country might not be repeated here in our own...... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5blC44K...ndFaithful

Best regards,

Daryavesh
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#7
(10-19-2021, 04:58 AM)Daryavesh wrote: Thank you, Robert. Excellent reference links. I would assume the Ottoman Turks made no mention of 'Palestinians' because priour to 1948, 'Palestine' was taken to mean 'Israel'.

It wasn't until the mid-1960s that historical revisionists and propagandists within the Arab world came up with the construct 'Palestinian'. Indeed, I never heard mention of such a term until just following the 1967 War.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1961-1968/arab-israeli-war-1967

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/myths-and-facts-the-1967-six-day-war


All the best to you and yours,

Daryavesh


Daryavesh - thank you for your reply.
 
Under the Ottoman Turkish Empire there was no administrative use of the name “Palestine”. Eretz Ysrael was within the Ottoman province of “Syria”.
The following image shows the list of Ottoman Turkish provinces called “vilayets”, which the reader can see includes “Syria” but does not include any “Palestine”:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...ves%29.png
 
When did the “Palestinian” Arabs start using the names “Palestinians” / “Palestinian people, the” ?:
- - - - Start of extract: - - - -
 
“When was the “Palestinian people” actually created? Simply using the Google Ngram Viewer* provides the answer.
 
Ngram is a database that charts the frequency that a given phrase appears in books published between the years 1500 to 2008. When a user enters the word phrases “Palestinian people” and “Palestinian state” into the Ngram search bar, he discovers that they began appearing only in 1960**.”
 
Footnotes:
 
* Google Ngram Viewer:
https://books.google.com/ngrams/info
 
** Google Books Ngram Viewer - search criteria:
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=palestinian+people&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%253B%252Cpalestinian%2520people%253B%252Cc0
 
Extract source:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11401...ian-people
 
- - - - End of extract - - - -
 
 
Just to be clear:
During British Mandate Palestine (1922 to 1948) both Arabs and Jews could apply to be “Palestinian” citizens:
JEWISH citizens of British Mandate Palestine were Palestinian:
Extracts from five British “Government of Palestine” passports,
from which it can be seen that JEWISH citizens of the Mandate were “Palestinian”.
PDF pages:
Page 1 for an Arab name,
page 2 for a Jewish name,
page 3 for a Jewish name,
page 4 for a Jewish name, 
page 5 for a Jewish name.
Page 6 Sources.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/p6hjhurn7...s.pdf/file
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#8
Thank you for your clarification of those details, Robert.

Very much appreciated,

Daryavesh
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#9
(10-19-2021, 06:07 AM)5156 wrote:...The Arabs are doing all they can in the chambers and corridors beneath the Temple Mount to destroy all evidence of Jewish history... 
Which reminds me of the grave-robbing of which has been taking place in Egypt, since that society became extict. That may be the primary reason as to why the British government is hesitant on returning the artifacts displayed in their museum back to Egypt.
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#10
I had not considered that, Alan. You may be right. Its much like those in America who are taking down monuments to men who, unlike themselves, actually deserve recognition for their brave deeds.

I have no patience with historical revisionists who wish to destroy our true history so that they may posit falsehoods to replace the truth.

All the best,

Daryavesh
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