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Israel: Is lack of factual information why some Jews believe “Palestinian” Arab propaganda?
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Typical “Palestinian” Arab falsehood-propaganda, together with a brief rebuttal:

(Tip: Either scroll down, or use your web browser's 'Find' option, to locate the "Palestinian" falsehood-propaganda of your choice!)

The Jews / Israel:


1) Invaded a place called “Palestine”:

Proper name = Israel / Judah.
“Palestine” is the Roman attempted-rename, only twice in history used as a name for the land, but by foreign imperial powers: the Romans, and the British.
There never has been any indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel upon which the "Palestinian" Arabs could base any claim to any part of the land, nor to substantiate their false-claims of: invasion, land-theft, illegal-occupation, illegal-settlement. 

Why does "Palestinian" Arab propaganda call the land “Palestine”?: 
As did the Romans - to negate the names Israel / Judah for the land, 
and 
because it would not accord so well with "Palestinian" Arab falsehood-propaganda to accuse the JEWS of stealing “JUDAH” !

I have discussed the origins of the name “Palestine” and its usage in attempts to negate the name Israel, here:
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...hp?tid=803

2.1) Stole the Land from the “Palestinian” Arabs / "Palestinian People":

Israel is Re-established within the Jewish ancestral homeland - Look at a map of the last indigenous sovereign state in the land of Israel prior to modern Israel, which was the post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom.
Reference is made to Kings of Biblical Israel in the noble Quran !
See the examples within:
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...6&pid=5310 - pid5310
The Jews are indigenous to their ancestral homeland of Israel and despite partial-exile, have had unbroken presence there from Biblical times - see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi...e_(region)

Both Arabs and JEWS became “Palestinian” citizens under the British Mandate (1922 to 1948) irrespective of religion or ethnicity; a nationality which legally-ceased with the end of the British Mandate in 1948 - Look up the British “Palestinian Citizenship Order 1925”.
Examples of British Mandate Passports:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/p6hjhurn7...s.pdf/file

The “Palestinian” Arabs decided to call themselves a “people” only from about 1964:
http://www.targetofopportunity.com/pales..._truth.htm

Quote:When was the “Palestinian people” actually created? Simply using the Google Ngram Viewer provides the answer.
[You can use Ngram to do this using the following URL:]
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?co...53B%252Cc0

Extract source:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11401...ian-people

I have discussed the falsehood that the Jews / Israel stole the land from the Arabs, here:
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...5&pid=5250 - pid5250

Who then are today’s “Palestinian” Arabs?:
See 5. below - The majority of the “Palestinian” Arab most prevalent surnames have the highest incidence outside the “Palestine region” (detail in 5. below). The "Palestinian" Arabs mostly originate from the Foreign-Arab-Migrant-Workers who came to the land of Israel just prior to, and during the British Mandate (detail in 5. below).

2.2) Were “given” the land: by the Allies following WW2 / by the United Nations, because of the Holocaust:
The Jews were not “given” any land. In 1947 to 1948 the Arabs started a civil war, not only to oppose the United Nations Partition Plan (two-state solution) and instead take ALL the land of Israel, but also to ethnically-cleanse or murder the Jews. The more the Arabs persisted in attacking the Jewish community, the more militarized the previously peaceful Jewish community became, resulting in a force capable of defending a new state. 
Israel was Re-established not because of the Holocaust, but because the land of Israel is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people - See links for: “Demographic history” and for the Hasmonean kingdom in 2.1) above. 

3.1) In 1948 Expelled / Caused a Nakba (disaster), to the “Palestinians” ("Palestinian" Arabs):
That is reverse-fact propaganda, the purpose of the civil war which intensified 1947 by the Arabs being to ethnically-cleanse or murder the Jewish population. No evidence of any policy to expel Arabs, but the Jews were expelled from East Jerusalem by the Jordanians in 1948:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamizati...occupation

3.2) Continue to Expel the “Palestinian” Arabs:
Thus insulting our intelligence by typically being alleged while providing:
No detail, no objective-sources; zero evidence.
Presumably also done while taking time-off from those other alleged propaganda-falsehoods: Apartheid (below), and Genocide (below).

I have discussed the falsehood alleging an Israeli / Jewish expulsion of Arabs, here:
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...4&pid=5291 - pid5291

I have discussed the alleged “Nakba”, here:
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...hp?tid=795

3.3) Caused Gaza to be (depending on the audience), allegedly a “concentration camp” / “ghetto” / Nazi “Warsaw Ghetto” / “open air prison” / “Penal colony” / “P.O.W. Camp”:
If so, a rather unusual one, able to invade Israel and conduct barbarian war crimes (October 7, 2023) such as: murder including children - including babies, rape, kidnapping, theft, arson, and also fire thousands of rockets at Israeli cities whenever the fancy takes it. If conditions there are poor it is not of Israel’s making but due to Hamas, whose priorities are: Hate-based, conflict-policies, war-based economy, misusing your Aid-money (corruption, rockets, attack tunnels), ignoring the welfare of their own people. 

4) Caused in 1948, today’s alleged 5.5 million “Palestinian” Arab refugees, who claim a “right of return”; and what about their “refugee” camps!:
The “Palestinian” Arabs have an artificial, unique, and arguably by common-sense, a bogus refugee status, that "passes through the generations", obtained from the Arab-dominated United Nations. The purpose of their refugee-device is to inflate the number of alleged-refugees for bundling with their false-claim for a “right of return”, as a (fraudulent) means of “invading” Israel.

How do the “Palestinian” Arab purported refugee-camps obtain their status as “refugee camps” ? 
Simply by the presence within them of those “Palestinian Arab" alleged "refugees” who have their unique bogus-refugee status that "passes through the generations" !:
https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

I have discussed the “Palestinian” Arab bogus refugee status, their false-claim for a “right of return”, and their “refugee” camps, here:
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...hp?tid=775

5) Are a Colony; are not native:
Since the “Palestinian” Arabs arrived in the land of Israel well after its indigenous Jews, this makes the “Palestinian” Arabs the “settler-colonists”; not the Jews - See above link for Demographic history, and see the Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom.

Of the 100 most-prevalent “Palestinian” Arab surnames, while 16 surnames had the highest incidence in the ‘Palestine region’ (2014), the remaining 84 “Palestinian” Arab surnames had the highest incidence in countries other than the ‘Palestine region’ (2014): Information source “forebears.io”:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/9d115bv6w...d.pdf/file

The “Palestinian” Arabs mostly originate from Foreign-Arab-Migrant-Workers who came to the land of Israel just prior to, and during the British Mandate, to take advantage of higher wages through Jewish returnee-exiles -
Sources:

i)
“Arab Immigration to Historic Palestine: A Survey”, by Richard Mather:
https://richardmatherblog.wordpress.com/2015/05/

ii)
“Arab Migration Shaped Palestinian Society” - The Ettinger Report.com:
http://theettingerreport.com/arab-migrat...n-society/

iii)
“Were the Arabs Indigenous to Mandatory Palestine” - MeForum.org:
https://www.meforum.org/6275/were-the-ar...-palestine

iv)
“The Smoking Gun: Arab Immigration into Palestine, 1922-1931” by Fred M. Gotthei:
https://www.meforum.org/522/the-smoking-...-palestine

Why mention that? Because the “Palestinian” Arabs falsely-claim reverse-fact falsehood-propaganda that the Jews are invaders and the Arabs are native.

I have discussed to where the “Palestinian” Arabs are really native (aka indigenous), here:
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...hp?tid=789

6.1) Are in Illegal “Occupation” of the Land - The United Nations says so !:

The “Palestinian” Arabs start-off in U.N. General Assembly votes by enjoying a block-vote in their favor of up to 56 Arab and additional Islamic-aligned countries e.g. U.N. member states that are also members of the “Organization of Islamic Cooperation” and follow its policies when voting in the U.N., compared to Israel's one vote. 

Take a look at this map of the last indigenous sovereign state in the land prior to modern Israel, and consider how the Jews could logically be in any illegal-occupation of their own ancestral homeland. The post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom (including the "West Bank" (land of the previous Jewish Kingdoms of Judah and Samaria), Gaza, and Golan Heights), with its capital of (what is now "East") Jerusalem; between 110 BCE / 754 BH and 63 BCE / 706 BH:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...ingdom.jpg

United Nations votes are allegedly “democratic” so shouldn’t Israel accept all the numerous anti-Israel U.N. resolutions?:
Accepted international constitutional law is that Laws must not be passed that are intrinsically-unjust that persecute a minority, as are the U.N. decisions against Israel, which falsely-validate the unverifiable-claims of the “Palestinian” Arabs.
An example of unjust-laws were the Nuremberg Laws of Nazi Germany which persecuted the Jews.

I have discussed the falsehood of an alleged Israeli / Jewish “illegal-occupation”, here:
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...hp?tid=780
I have also discussed the built-in anti-Israel bias of the United Nations, here:
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...0&pid=5327 - pid5327

6.2) Occupy the "Palestinian" Arabs aka "the Palestinians an occupied people":
When the "Palestinian" Arabs claim to be an "occupied people", it is because that other "Palestinian" Arab false-claim of an illegal-occupation of land by the Jews / Israel (of the Jews own ancestral homeland (!) ), stands unprovable and lame (see 6.1 above).
While the legal definition of "illegal-occupation" is unclear in international law, it is generally accepted it can only apply to land. The assertion it can apply to a People is a creative, rather than a legal, concept.

6.3) Illegally-occupy northern Israel because the northern Tribes were lost:
No, because the Tribe of Judah were entitled to inherit from their brothers.

6.4) Illegally-occupy Tel Aviv because King Solomon gave cities to King Hiram of Tyre:
This concerns the difference between real-estate ownership and state-sovereignty.
Yes, King Solomon “gave” some cities to King Hiram of Tyre, 1 Kings 9:11-13; but there is no indication this was anything other than personal real-estate ownership (and thus no indication of any ceding of sovereignty). 
How does this work?: If one buys a plot of land, although the purchaser may assert their ownership against other individual citizens, the sovereignty of the land remains with the country which has the right if it so desires, to order an "eminent domain" (U.K. "compulsory purchase").

7) Build Illegal “Settlements”:
See 6.1 above. Further, when the U.N. Security Council has passed resolutions against Israel, it has previously been during the tenure of U.S. Democratic Party Presidents who chose to use their vote in accordance with their support of the “Palestinian” Arabs.
Also, under the Oslo Accords Israel is permitted to build homes (aka "settlements") in Area C of the "West Bank". 

8.1) Commit Apartheid:
Presumably done while taking time-off from those other alleged propaganda-falsehoods: Expulsion (above), and Genocide (below).
There is no evidence of any Apartheid in, or by, Israel. 
Rather Apartheid and racism are practiced by the "Palestinian" Arabs who murder any Jews they find near the areas the "Palestinian" Arabs control. 
Example: Eyal Yifrach aged 19, Gilad Shaar aged 16, Naftali Frankel aged 16, 
murdered while hitchhiking back from their religious schools on the "West Bank": 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j...-west-bank

Apartheid: The “Palestinian Territories” compared to South African Apartheid Bantustans?:
No one forced the “Palestinian” Arabs to sign the Oslo Accords by which they obtained 40% of the "West Bank" (Judah and Samaria) and the whole of Gaza.
If the Palestinian Territories were to be considered Apartheid then all countries having autonomous regions would have to similarly be falsely-accused of "Apartheid" !
For a list of countries having autonomous regions, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_au...by_country

Apartheid: The "Palestinian" Arabs are (allegedly) the majority in Israel but don’t have the same rights:
This "Palestinian" Arab propaganda seeks to count-in all those "Palestinian" Arabs who do NOT want to be citizens of Israel, who signed-on to the autonomy of the Oslo Accords, to obtain their own control and elections, by which they obtained 40% of the “West Bank” and the whole of Gaza.
After the Oslo Accords, the "Palestinian" Arabs continued to:
Claim ALL of Israel, fire thousands of rockets at Israeli cities whenever the fancy takes them, and carried on their terrorism.

8.2) Reject those ‘not of their bloodline’ / an "ethnostate":

‘They [Israel] don’t accept anyone not of their bloodline’: That reverse-fact propaganda falsehood is often heard from individual “Palestinian” Arabs when interviewed by the Media and so is likely learnt by them at elementary / primary school. It describes not Israel or Judaism, but the policies and behavior of the “Palestinian” Arabs. 

Israel has Arab citizens and Arab lawmakers. Israel is a multicultural country comprising: Many ethnic groups including Jews, “Palestinian” Arabs, and people of all faiths. While Israel is a multicultural country with diverse ethnicities and religions, it is also indeed a home for the Jewish people, Re-established within the Jewish ancestral homeland (look up the Hasmonean Kingdom); something for which the Jewish people have no need to apologize - to anyone !

9) Commit Genocide:
Thus insulting our intelligence by typically being alleged while providing:
No detail, no objective-sources; zero evidence.
Presumably also done while taking time-off from those other alleged propaganda-falsehoods: Apartheid (above), and Expulsion (above).

10) Are condemned by NGOs:

The halo adorning some NGOs has become somewhat tarnished by their bias in favor of the "Palestinian" Arabs. 
Example: Amnesty International - bias against Israel: 
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/...srael.html
Example: Human Rights Watch - bias against Israel: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_...ghts_Watch

Then there are also pro-"Palestinian" Arab mouthpiece propaganda-comfort-websites. 
Here "Comfort" means websites (often of alleged NGOs) that reinforce unverifiable and prejudiced-opinion or mass-produced propaganda, within a comfort-zone that avoids: Factual-information supported by objective-sources. 
Such websites being by their very nature, Not-objective, their content is likely to be both Unverifiable, and Untrustworthy.

11) Returned "kindness" of Arabs with violence in British Mandate “Palestine”:
The allegation is reverse-fact: The Arabs attacked the Jews so often that the then Palestinian Jewish Community were forced to create defensive organizations: The Haganah, followed by the Irgun, and the Stern. Arab attacks on the Jews developed into a civil war resulting in further Jewish defense and in Israel being Re-established !
Example: 1929 Hebron massacre of Jews:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

11.1) During the British Mandate, created “terrorist” organizations:
The more the Arabs persisted in attacking the Jewish community, the more militarized the previously peaceful Jewish community became, resulting in a force capable of defending a new state. Persistent Arab attacks resulted in the Jews creating the Jewish groups (Haganah, Irgun, Stern (Lehi)) to defend the then “Palestinian” Jewish Community against both Arab attack and the British assistance to the Arabs. The typical example of alleged “terrorism” asserted, is the bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946, the headquarters of the British Mandate Palestine’s civil administration and British army in Palestine and Transjordan. The Jewish fighting-groups can neither logically nor objectively be described as “terrorist”, since they were fighting within their ancestral homeland, while the British were an Imperial controlling power. The British favored the Arabs, allowing Arab immigration while restricting Jewish immigration. The descendants of those Arabs now claim to have been in the land for (depending on the audience) “hundreds” / “thousands”, of years (today's "Palestinian" Arabs mostly originate from Foreign-Arab-Migrant-Workers - see 5) above). 

12) Attack Islam:
"Palestinian" Arab propaganda falsely-accuses Israel / the Jews of “oppression” / "persecution", to try to dishonestly-invoke and misuse the Islamic rules on defense against persecution of Islam (see noble Quran: Surah 2, Al-Baqarah: vv. 190-193), and At-Taubah, 9: v. 36): 
The dispute over the land of Israel is not a religious dispute, but rather is due to the territorial-ambitions based on unverifiable claims, of those Arabs who now call themselves “Palestinians”, over the land of Israel.

13) Have "distorted" / "corrupted" the Jewish Scriptures:
This false-accusation refers to biased-teaching in modern times to Muslim students, rather than what the noble Quran really says. 
In the noble Quran the Islamic prophet is referring to those he believes, read the written Jewish Scripture but teach it inappropriately; he does NOT mean that the Scriptural text has been distorted / corrupted (Noble Quran, Surah 3 The House of Imran, v. 78). 
Further, the Arabic word “tahrif” used in the noble Quran has in recent times been interpreted to mean “corrupt”, but means either: “alteration” or “misinterpretation”, and past Islamic scholars translated it to mean rather: “misinterpretation”: 
http://www.judaism-islam.com/islam-teach...that-mean/

14) Annulled the Covenant:
Pro “Palestinian” Arabs often claim the giving of the land of Israel by G-d to the Jewish people is no longer valid, because Islam considers the Covenant between G-d and the Children of Israel to have ceased due to the Israelites' transgression. The Covenant between G-d and the Children of Israel (now the Jews) is everlasting, the sign for which is their Circumcision; transgression resulted in a partial and temporary exile. (Everlasting Covenant - Genesis 17.7.) The Covenant was not to cease (Leviticus 26:44-45). Where the noble Quran recognizes (“Al-Maaida” 5:21) that the land of Israel is given by Allah / G-d to the Children of Israel (Jews), the Quran is referring to the (Jewish) Scriptures (aka “Old” Testament) - IN WHICH the Covenant between Allah / G-d and the Children of Israel, IS Everlasting. 
Prophesy G-d will return the Jewish exiles to their land - Deuteronomy 30:3-5.

15) Take Quranic verses "out of context":
When quoting verses from the noble Quran this may draw the accusation of: "taking out of context". 
Were that phrase to mean simply referencing part of something, this would require one to quote the whole work! However, what the phrase really means is: Extracting a quote to assert a point, a point that is contradicted by the rest (the context) of the text from which the quote is taken; therefore so long as your quote supports on its own, the point you are making, this then does NOT constitute "taking out of context".

16) Are all converts:
Pro-“Palestinian” Arabs often falsely-claim the Jews are all descendants of “Khazar” converts (a discredited theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars), while typically providing for their racist-falsehood: No details, no credible objective-scientific sources; zero credible anthropological evidence. While Judaism accepts sincere converts, there is no evidence denying the Judah ancestry of the Jewish people as a People. The reason for the propaganda is to dishonestly evade the noble Quran’s recognition that the Land of Israel is given by Allah / G-d to the Jewish people (noble Quran, Sura “Al-Maaida” 5:21).


“Jew”=citizen of “Judah” - Judaism is both an ethnicity as well as a religion.
Israel / the Jewish people logically, cannot:
“Invade”, or Steal, or “Illegally-Settle”, or “be a Colony on”, or Illegally-Occupy,
its OWN ancestral homeland!

It is for the person making an allegation to prove it from objective-evidence !
The Jewish / Israeli case can be verified from objective historical sources. 
The claims made by the "Palestinian" Arabs cannot be verified from any objective-sources. 

[Part of: "Uncle Bob's Handy-Guide to the Palestinian surreal-narrative".
View more, by doing:
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#2
Robert, if I may submit the following in support of your post......

Excerpted from the article linked below (which in turn quotes PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein's admission in a 1977 interview from the Dutch newspaper 'Trouw')......

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/02...t-spencer/

Syrian President Hafez Assad once told Yasser Arafat: “You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people.”

Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly put it simply on February 2, 1970: “Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is only one land, with one history and one and the same fate.”

PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein likewise acknowledged that the 'Palestinian people' are a 'construct' (a propaganda invention) in a 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."


Abdul Hamid Sharif, the Prime Minister of Jordan, would have agreed. He said in 1980: “The Palestinians and Jordanians do not belong to different nationalities. They hold the same Jordanian passports, are Arabs and have the same Jordanian culture.”

King Hussein of Jordan put it most succinctly of all in 1981: “The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan."

Additional references to Zahir Muhsein's quote......

https://jtf.org/palestinian-people-do-not-exist/

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/13700

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/was-ther...r-to-1964/

All the best,

Daryavesh
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#3
(10-17-2021, 06:08 AM)Daryavesh Wrote: ...there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people...
And even Syria isn't just Syria. An apartment neighbor of mine is a refugee from Syria proper, given that British colonialism designed artificial borders within territory now occupied by Arabs of which were originally settled by distinct ethnic tribes such as the true Egyptians, Hittites, Phoenicians and, of course, Jews. He himself is an Assyrian Coptic Christian of whom has one of those Icon paintings, as seen in Eastern Orthodox churches, hanging on his wall. He was telling me that things were fine there, until repression was applied to non-Muslims after the Six-Day War. Before that, Muslims, Jews and Christians used to interact and lived peacefully with one another, he said.
Residing here in Germany, since 2015 I've been seeing refugees of whose visual features differ from those of the usual economic refugees. This is because once homogeneous settlements have been disrupted by the infiltration of the ultra-fundamentalists who have been destroying not only the ancient artifacts of which record the distinct identity of the ancestors lineating from these still homogeneous groups (Palmira being the most dramatic example of such senseless destruction):

http://www.heritageforpeace.org/syria-co...geography/

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#4
Daryavesh - I much appreciate your response. 

The reason for the Syrian reaction to which you refer is likely because under the Ottoman Turkish occupation of Eretz Ysrael, the Ottomans never used any such political term as "Palestine" which has never existed as any indigenous sovereign state. Rather, Ottoman occupied Eretz Ysrael was within the Ottoman province of "Syria" (an area aka "Southern Syria") - Observe the map of Ottoman Syria" on the right side of the following webpage: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Syria


The Amended Palestinian National Charter (1968) - English, Article 5 defines the “Palestinians” as Arab: 
- - - - Start of extract: - - - -

“Article 5: The Palestinians are those Arab nationals [...]”

Extract source: 
http://ecf.org.il/media_items/677

- - - - End of extract - - - -


Why did the “Palestinian” Arabs decide to falsely-claim they are native to the land of Israel? 
The purpose of League of Nations (later the United Nations) Mandates such as the one awarded to Great Britain, was to develop the territory for the benefit of its native people: 
- - - - Start of extract: - - - -

“Two governing principles formed the core of the Mandate System, being non-annexation of the territory and its administration as a “sacred trust of civilisation” to develop the territory for the benefit of its native people.”

Extract source: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations_mandate

- - - - End of extract - - - -


Why did the British Mandate document 1922 after providing for a “national home for the Jewish people”, follow with a provision different for the “existing non-Jewish communities” (the Arabs); compared to the provision it made for the Jews?

 
Both the Balfour Declaration 1917 and the British Mandate document 1922, quote:
- - - - Start of extract: - - - -
 
Regarding the Jews:
[...] the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, [...]
 
(Continued) Regarding the “existing non-Jewish communities” (the Arabs):
[...] it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine [...]
 
Source for Balfour Declaration 1917:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
 
Source for League of Nations Mandate document (English) 1922:
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp
 
- - - - End of extract - - - -
 
Why then the different wording for the Arabs compared to the Jews? For the following reasons:
 
1) League of Nations Mandates were for developing the Mandate territory for the benefit of its native people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations_mandate
 
2) The Jews were considered native to the land, while at the time it was well-known the Arabs in the land mostly originated from Foreign-Arab-Migrant-Workers:
See the following sources:
 
i) “Arab Immigration to Historic Palestine: A Survey”, by Richard Mather:
https://richardmatherblog.wordpress.com/2015/05/

ii) “Arab Migration Shaped Palestinian Society” - The Ettinger Report.com:
http://theettingerreport.com/arab-migrat...n-society/
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#5
Thank you, Robert. Excellent reference links. I would assume the Ottoman Turks made no mention of 'Palestinians' because priour to 1948, 'Palestine' was taken to mean 'Israel'.

It wasn't until the mid-1960s that historical revisionists and propagandists within the Arab world came up with the construct 'Palestinian'. Indeed, I never heard mention of such a term until just following the 1967 War.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1961-1968/arab-israeli-war-1967

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/myths-and-facts-the-1967-six-day-war


All the best to you and yours,

Daryavesh
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#6
Quote:And even Syria isn't just Syria. An apartment neighbor of mine is a refugee from Syria proper, given that British colonialism designed artificial borders within territory now occupied by Arabs of which were originally settled by distinct ethnic tribes such as the true Egyptians, Hittites, Phoenicians and, of course, Jews. He himself is an Assyrian Coptic Christian of whom has one of those Icon paintings, as seen in Eastern Orthodox churches, hanging on his wall. He was telling me that things were fine there, until repression was applied to non-Muslims after the Six-Day War. Before that, Muslims, Jews and Christians used to interact and lived peacefully with one another, he said.

Residing here in Germany, since 2015 I've been seeing refugees of whose visual features differ from those of the usual economic refugees. This is because once homogeneous settlements have been disrupted by the infiltration of the ultra-fundamentalists who have been destroying not only the ancient artifacts of which record the distinct identity of the ancestors lineating from these still homogeneous groups (Palmira being the most dramatic example of such senseless destruction):

http://www.heritageforpeace.org/syria-co...geography/


Points well taken, Alan! On a personal note...... A friend sent me this link recently. It is one of many relating ongoing discoveries as sections of the City of David are unearthed......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43NbzpDa...ityofDavid

I am glad beyond my ability to express in words that they are saving these remnants of the ancient city for all to see. The Arabs are doing all they can in the chambers and corridors beneath the Temple Mount to destroy all evidence of Jewish history. I sincerely hope they can be stopped. I have always believed that the Arc of the Covenant is hidden there off the lower level door and corridor the Levites used when they came in the separate entrance along the Western Wall that was reserved for them.

Regarding your neighbour...... There is a woman here in America who made her way here from Lebanon some years ago. Like your neighbour, she is a Coptic Christian and she said the 1967 War was the point of demarcation in Lebanon, as well. Following that, both Jews and Christians alike were targeted by militant Islamists. She is quite outspoken and uses the nom de plume 'Brigitte Gabriel'. In relating her personal story, I recall her saying that as children in Lebanon, Coptic Christians were taught to distrust Jews much as Muslims were.

But then war came and her family were living a day to day existence in a bomb shelter as radicalized Muslims searched for Jews and Christians alike to kill them...... Her views on that changed. For when help finally arrived, it was the IDF and she and her family owe their lives to the Israelis. It was at that point her eyes were opened and she began to see the world and those within it for who and what they truly were.

So now she is here in America and speaks publicly on the dangers of radical Islam, that the fate that befell her native country might not be repeated here in our own...... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5blC44K...ndFaithful

Best regards,

Daryavesh
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(10-19-2021, 04:58 AM)Daryavesh Wrote: Thank you, Robert. Excellent reference links. I would assume the Ottoman Turks made no mention of 'Palestinians' because priour to 1948, 'Palestine' was taken to mean 'Israel'.

It wasn't until the mid-1960s that historical revisionists and propagandists within the Arab world came up with the construct 'Palestinian'. Indeed, I never heard mention of such a term until just following the 1967 War.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1961-1968/arab-israeli-war-1967

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/myths-and-facts-the-1967-six-day-war


All the best to you and yours,

Daryavesh


Daryavesh - thank you for your reply.
 
Under the Ottoman Turkish Empire there was no administrative use of the name “Palestine”. Eretz Ysrael was within the Ottoman province of “Syria”.
The following image shows the list of Ottoman Turkish provinces called “vilayets”, which the reader can see includes “Syria” but does not include any “Palestine”:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...ves%29.png
 
When did the “Palestinian” Arabs start using the names “Palestinians” / “Palestinian people, the” ?:
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“When was the “Palestinian people” actually created? Simply using the Google Ngram Viewer* provides the answer.
 
Ngram is a database that charts the frequency that a given phrase appears in books published between the years 1500 to 2008. When a user enters the word phrases “Palestinian people” and “Palestinian state” into the Ngram search bar, he discovers that they began appearing only in 1960**.”
 
Footnotes:
 
* Google Ngram Viewer:
https://books.google.com/ngrams/info
 
** Google Books Ngram Viewer - search criteria:
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=palestinian+people&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%253B%252Cpalestinian%2520people%253B%252Cc0
 
Extract source:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11401...ian-people
 
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Just to be clear:
During British Mandate Palestine (1922 to 1948) both Arabs and Jews could apply to be “Palestinian” citizens:
JEWISH citizens of British Mandate Palestine were Palestinian:
Extracts from five British “Government of Palestine” passports,
from which it can be seen that JEWISH citizens of the Mandate were “Palestinian”.
PDF pages:
Page 1 for an Arab name,
page 2 for a Jewish name,
page 3 for a Jewish name,
page 4 for a Jewish name, 
page 5 for a Jewish name.
Page 6 Sources.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/p6hjhurn7...s.pdf/file
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Thank you for your clarification of those details, Robert.

Very much appreciated,

Daryavesh
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(10-19-2021, 06:07 AM)5156 Wrote:...The Arabs are doing all they can in the chambers and corridors beneath the Temple Mount to destroy all evidence of Jewish history... 
Which reminds me of the grave-robbing of which has been taking place in Egypt, since that society became extict. That may be the primary reason as to why the British government is hesitant on returning the artifacts displayed in their museum back to Egypt.
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I had not considered that, Alan. You may be right. Its much like those in America who are taking down monuments to men who, unlike themselves, actually deserve recognition for their brave deeds.

I have no patience with historical revisionists who wish to destroy our true history so that they may posit falsehoods to replace the truth.

All the best,

Daryavesh
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