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  Blog on Torah and the Gaza war
Posted by: chailit - 01-29-2024, 03:42 AM - Forum: Israel - No Replies

A new blog relating the weekly parshah to the current Israel-Hamas war. This month's posts have focused on Exodus, and how it echoes the plight of the Israeli hostages in Gaza. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this.  https://kosherkitty.wordpress.com/2023/11/09/israel-gaza-war-5783/

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  Oslo was Israel’s "Land For Peace" - Should Oct 7th become "Land for Buffer"?
Posted by: Robert - 01-28-2024, 06:54 PM - Forum: Israel - Replies (2)

The Oslo Accords were Israel's attempt at "Land for Peace"; Accords which Hamas never recognized, and which Fatah (aka "Palestinian Authority, the") breached by their ongoing terrorism. Should the October 7th 2023 attack / massacre then, initiate "Land for Buffer"?

The Palestinian Arabs (those not being Israeli citizens or having Israeli resident status) do not have any proper or arguable legal basis for being in the land of Israel, more specifically Gaza - I discussed that here: 
Please scroll down to the "Update", of: "Possible consequence of failing to resume hostilities against Hamas": 
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show... - pid7788

At the very least, Israel needs a buffer zone and I assume their work in locating attack tunnels in North Gaza is likely incomplete, and to be thorough should be expected to take some years. Therefore for their own safety, the Palestinian Arabs might be invited to not return to North Gaza until the ongoing-threat to Israel by Hamas (supported as a survey has shown by about 63.6% of the Gaza population) has been removed, along with the Hamas attack tunnels. 

I have discussed the above-mentioned survey, here: 
"Survey on Palestinian support for the October 7 2023 massacre": 
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show... - pid7749

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  Does supporting Palestinian unprovable-claims, massage a person’s anti-Semitism?
Posted by: Robert - 01-27-2024, 05:38 PM - Forum: Israel - Replies (2)

There is zero objective historical evidence proving claims made by the Palestinian Arabs to the land of Israel or indeed any part of it.

Have you ever tried asking a pro-Palestinian Arab for such evidence?
What reaction did you get?
Whatever reaction you got, it will not amount to answering that question to the point, nor will any credible-evidence be provided.

Why then do individuals, the Media, and some governments, support Palestinian Arab claims in the absence of any evidence in support?

Let's take a look at examples where support for the Palestinian Arab claims is typically expressed devoid of
Any credible justification!:

Daily Mail - Quoting the British Defense secretary [Note: Not the British Foreign secretary]: 

Quote:'Speaking to the BBC's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, Mr [Grant] Shapps said:
'Palestinians deserve a sovereign state, [...]':

Source:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...nyahu.html

Malaysian government:
Quote:'[...] Malaysia remains firm that the Palestinians deserve their own independent and sovereign state, based on the pre-1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its Capital. [...]':

Source:
https://www.kln.gov.my/web/guest/-/malay...20Capital.


Now just a few examples of where the Media tell us repeatedly that the Palestinian Arabs 'Want' a state, while ignoring the absence of any
Objective-evidence in support:

France 24 English:
Quote:'[...] Israel occupied the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem in 1967. The Palestinians want their own state in the two main territories, with Jerusalem as its capital. [...]':

Source:
https://www.france24.com/en/20091111-abb...nniversary


DW - Deutsche Welle TV [Voice of Germany]:
Quote:'The Palestinians want their own state. [...]':

Source:
https://www.dw.com/en/the-viability-of-a...a-15526640

CNN:
Quote:'[...] The Palestinians want to establish an independent state in the West Bank and Gaza. [...]':

Source:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/20/middl...index.html

CGTN - PRC:
Quote:'[...] The Palestinians want their own state with a capital in East Jerusalem, which Israel captured from Jordanian control in the 1967 war [...]':

Source:
https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d514d78497...index.html

AP - Associated Press:
Quote:'[...] Israel captured the West Bank in the 1967 Mideast war, and the Palestinians want it to form the main part of their future state. [...]':

Source:
https://apnews.com/article/biden-middle-...11cddb7928


Brief notes on the foregoing:
i. In 1967 Israel recovered its own ancestral lands (look up a map of the post-Biblical Hasmonean Kingdom).
ii. It recovered them from the Egyptian and Jordanian illegal-occupations.
iii. There has never been any indigenous "Palestine" sovereign state in the land of Israel upon which the Palestinian Arabs could base any claim to any part of the land of Israel.

Good luck with discovering any justification for the Palestinian Arabs "deserving" or "wanting" a state on any of those, or any other, examples!


Meanwhile, apart from all the fuss about the Palestinian Arabs "deserving" or "wanting" a state, let's look at a rather curious image: 
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas complains to the United Nations Security Council on February 12, 2020, that the former President Trump initiative offer of a state is like "Swiss Cheese", holding up a map of that offer, yet while seated behind the co-existing Palestinian Arab falsehood-propaganda - a placecard saying: "State of Palestine" !: 
https://www.algemeiner.com/2020/02/11/at...pa-leader/


I have also discussed:

the origins of today's Palestinian Arabs, here: 
"Are the Palestinian Arabs really as they claim, native (aka indigenous), to Israel?": 
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...hp?tid=789

the Jewish people's connections to their ancestral-homeland of Israel, here: 
"Did the Jews / Israel ‘steal’ their ancestral homeland and/or “Palestine” in 1948?": 
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show... - pid5250

the falsehood that the Jews took the land of Israel from the Palestinian Arabs, here: 
"Why doesn’t Israel “give-Back” its ancestral-land, to Palestinian unprovable-claims?":
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...hp?tid=843

the falsehood of an Israeli/Jewish "illegal-occupation" of their own ancestral-homeland of Israel, here: 
"Do the Jews / Israel ‘illegally-occupy’ their ancestral homeland and/or “Palestine”?": 
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/show...hp?tid=780


What therefore did the Palestinian Arabs need to do to renew international support, devoid always of any justification, for: 
A state;
for increases (in some cases by four times) in "humanitarian" aid? 

Why, simply to carry out the October 7, 2023 attack/massacre, in which they raped, murdered / burnt people to death, and kidnapped people including children; acts of barbarism unparalleled against the Jewish people since the Second World War.

Please remind yourself of the title of this discussion/question.



[Part of: "Uncle Bob's Handy-Guide to the Palestinian surreal-narrative".
View more, by doing:
Click on my username > Within the 'Robert's Forum Info' box, under 'Total Threads:', click: "Find All Threads".]

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  Exodus chapter 6
Posted by: gib65 - 01-26-2024, 10:17 PM - Forum: Judaism General - Replies (5)

Hello again everyone,

I am developing a new style. I am grouping all my questions per chapter. That is, rather than asking question about one or another particular passage, I'm reading through the whole chapter and posting whatever questions arise. My source is: https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo...pter-1.htm

So here we go with Exodus chapter 6...

Exodus 6:3 Wrote:I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob with [the name] Almighty God, but [with] My name YHWH, I did not become known to them.

Yes, that's interesting. God only ever reveals his name YHWH to Moses and not to any of the previous patriarchs. Why is this? Why does God decide that Moses is the one to whom to reveal his name?

Also, looking back to chapter 3, there is this:

Exodus 3:14 Wrote:God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"

This may be a matter of translation, of course, but it doesn't exactly say 'YHWH'. But I do recall learning from somewhere that YHWH is shorthand for "Ehyeh asher ehyeh". In this particular translation, 'YHWH' only first shows up in Exodus 6:3, not Exodus 3:14. Is this just a matter of the translation of this source, or does this discrepancy also show up in the original Hebrew?

Also, why would God's name be translated to English without any vowels? Maybe the concept of "vowels" didn't exist in ancient Hebrew language, but I would think that if you're translating from an ancient language to modern English, there wouldn't be any reason to restrict the inclusion of vowels. Spell it how it would have been pronounce, I would think. Is there some kind of sacred tradition or rule about including vowels when translating from the original Hebrew to modern English?

Exodus 6:11 Wrote:"Come, speak to Pharaoh, the king of Egypt, and he will let the children of Israel out of his land."

I'm noticing a pattern here. God keeps promising Moses that he will let the Israelites go. But he keeps phrasing it as if it will be the next thing to happen--just after Moses tries to persuade Pharaoh one last time. That is to say, God never tells Moses, not so far at least, that there will be 10 plagues and that Pharaoh will refuse his demands 10 times, before he let's the Israelites go. Even just using the word "eventually" would have been useful to Moses. Why is God omitting this (one would think vital) piece of information?

Exodus 6:16 Wrote:And these are the names of Levi's sons after their generations: Gershon, Kehath, and Merari, and the years of Levi's life were one hundred thirty seven years.

Exodus 6:20 Wrote:Amram took Jochebed, his aunt, as his wife, and she bore him Aaron and Moses, and the years of Amram's life were one hundred thirty seven years.

When God lists the "heads of the fathers' houses", he cares to mention the ages of only these two: Levi and Amram. Why? Is it that these two have died but the rest are still alive? And what is the significance of the fact that they lived to exactly the same age?

Exodus 6:26-27 Wrote:That is Aaron and Moses, to whom the Lord said, "Take the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt with their legions."
27. They are the ones who spoke to Pharaoh, the king of Egypt, to let the children of Israel out of Egypt; they are Moses and Aaron.

I just find this passage a little strange. It seems to really want to emphasize that it was Moses and Aaron that God was speaking to--as if there was some doubt. Just curious if anyone knows why.

Exodus 6:30 Wrote:But Moses said before the Lord, "Behold, I am of closed lips; so how will Pharaoh hearken to me?"

What does Moses mean by "closed lips", and why is he closed lips? Is he saying "No way I'm doing that again, my lips a sealed"?

About the list of the "heads of the fathers' houses", I note that these are the heads:

1. Reuben
2. Simeon
3. Levi
4. Gershon
5. Kehath
6. Merari
7. Amram --> married Jochebed, Jacob's sister?
8. Izhar
9. Uzziel
10. Aaron
11. Korah
12. Eleazar

I assume these are Jacobs's twelve sons, the twelve tribes of Israel. If so, it raises a lot of questions.

For one, why is God's response to Moses saying "Behold, the children of Israel did not hearken to me. How then will Pharaoh hearken to me, seeing that I am of closed lips?" to list the heads of the twelve tribes of Israel? I mean, I suppose if the twelve tribes are gonna be listed somewhere, here is as good a place as any other, but as a response to Moses's question, it seems completely unnecessary.

Second, Exodus 6:20 says "Amram took Jochebed, his aunt, as his wife, and she bore him Aaron and Moses, and the years of Amram's life were one hundred thirty seven years.". So is Jochebed, Amram's aunt and wife, Jacob's sister (if Amram is indeed 1 of 12 of Jacob's sons)? Or would she be his aunt from Amram's mother's side?

Third, if I'm right that these fathers are the sons of Jacob, why isn't Joseph mentioned? Isn't he a son of Jacob? Maybe this indicates that these are not the sons of Jacob. But if so, is it just a coincidence that Jacob had 12 sons and there happen to be 12 "heads of the fathers' houses"?

Fourth, this same passage tells us that Amram is Aaron's and Moses's father. This is the same Moses and Aaron who are the "protagonists" in the story of Exodus, aren't they? If these 12 "heads of the father's houses" are indeed Jacob's sons, as I'm assuming, it means that only 2 generations have passed since Joseph reigned over Egypt. Is that enough time for 60,000 Hebrews to be enslaved? (I read from some sources that there were 60,000 Hebrews who arrived at Mt. Sinai--maybe another generation was born by then, but still...) I mean, I realize that people in this time lived to a really, really ripe old age (137 years for Amram and Levi), but still, 60,000 Hebrews? This question is, of course, based on my assume that the Hebrew slaves ALL came from Jacob via Joseph, but I could be wrong about this. Perhaps Hebrews of other lineages throughout the land were also taken into slavery. And I maintain my assumption that there were no slaves in Egypt while Joseph was in power (otherwise, why wouldn't he free them?), so I'd be very interested to know if there are any source indicating when the Hebrews became slaves in Egypt and where they came from.

Fifth, why is Aaron listed as one of the "heads of the fathers' houses" as stated in Exodus 6:23: "Aaron took to himself for a wife, Elisheba, the daughter of Amminadab, the sister of Nahshon, and she bore him Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar." Isn't he a grandson of Jacob, his father Amram already being one of the 12 heads? Or is this a different Aaron?

And finally, who are the 'Levites' in Exodus 6:25: "these are the heads of the fathers' [houses] of the Levites according to their families."? I assume this label is not named after Levi, on of the 12 mentioned, as he is listed as just one among the 12, not the father of them all. Is this telling me that these are not the 12 sons of Jacob, but of another Levi? (That would answer a lot of my questions above, but it raises another: why would God think it necessary to list only the fathers of the Levites?)

Anyway, it would be really good if I had enough information to draw a "family tree" starting from Jacob and ending with Moses and Aaron and their cousins (immediate and distant). I think that would clear up a lot.

PS - I would like everyone to know that I'm not asking anyone to do homework for me. I am capable, and intend, to research this stuff on my own time, but I pose these questions anyway for the sake of stirring discussion and just to diary my thoughts after reading each chapter of Exodus. I am saying, these are the questions that are raised in my mind after reading blah, blah, blah. Everyone is more than welcome to answer these question if you wish, of course, but just want you all to know I'm not being lazy Big Grin

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  The Families of the Hostages
Posted by: Robert - 01-22-2024, 05:50 PM - Forum: Israel - No Replies

During the Palestinian Arab Hamas attack on Israel of October 7th, 2023 it is estimated that 250 hostages were taken. 

According to Wikipedia: 

Quote:''[...] As of 30 November 2023, the last day of the ceasefire, 105 civilian hostages had been released, which included 81 people from Israel, 23 Thais and one Filipino. As of January 2024, according to Israeli information, Hamas holds 108 hostages alive and 28 bodies. [...]'

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%...age_crisis
 


Not having anyone known to me being one of the hostages, I cannot therefore imagine clearly the suffering that the families of the hostages go through on a daily basis. 

Why did Hamas take hostages and why have they continued to keep them captive?

I assume it is, to: 
Obstruct the Israeli military response.
To cause the families of the hostages to campaign in manner such that the effect thereof is to make less effective or even curtail, the Israeli military response.
To cause dissension and discord within Israeli society. 


I would hope that the families of the hostages will consider the following:

Do they want their understandable emotional pain to be inflicted again in the future by the Palestinian Arabs, on more Israeli families, or do they want the IDF to take such steps against the Palestinian Arabs, that the Palestinian Arabs' atrocities of October 7th 2023, should never be repeated?

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  Can a “Two-State” Solution bring Peace?
Posted by: Robert - 01-20-2024, 04:07 PM - Forum: Israel - No Replies

Firstly, in the Jewish / Arab dispute over the land of Israel, what is the “two-state” solution?:
Two sovereign states within the land of Israel, one for the “Palestinian” Arabs and the other for the Jewish people; its been attempted twice before, both times rejected by the “Palestinian” Arabs.

Secondly, a word about the concept of “Palestine”:

“Palestine” is the Roman-imposed rename of Israel / Judah, used by the Romans for attempting to negate Israel / Judah as names for the land, and today used likewise by the “Palestinian” Arabs and their primarily anti-Semitic supporters.

The name “Palestine” applied only to foreign rule of the land of Israel, first by the Romans who imposed that name to negate Israel / Judah as names for the land, and later for the Mandate awarded to Great Britain between 1922 and 1948; the Romans and the British both being foreign imperial rule. The Romans had resurrected the name “Palestine” (Philistine) from the region much smaller than Israel, in which the by then defunct Philistines had been. There being no “P” in Arabic the name “Palestine” in Arabic is pronounced “Philistine” (Filistine). There has never been any indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel upon which the Palestinian” Arabs could base any claim to any part of the land of Israel. The alleged-claims to the land of Israel by the “Palestinian” Arabs are both unverified and unverifiable.


Supporting the “Palestinian” Arabs is NO support for any two-state solution. Why? The “Palestinian” Arabs deceive the world into believing they seek a two-state solution, whereas in reality they falsely-claim ALL the land of Israel (to none of which do they have any verifiable-claim), and seek to expel or murder the Jews, from the Jews ancestral homeland of Israel. All this is clear both from what is taught to Palestinian children by the Palestinian education system (below), and from the “Palestinian National Charter - Such policies are thus anti-Semitic.

Palestinian education system teaches: False victim-mentality, hatred of Jews, and that Israel does not exist aka Palestinian false-claim to ALL the land: 
https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-exam...nal-system

Many people are unaware that there have been at least two major occasions when “land for peace” (in other words a two-state solution) was attempted, but rejected by the “Palestinian” Arabs. The Palestinians have consistently rejected any such solution, because they falsely-claim ALL the land of Israel and wish to expel (or murder) the Jewish population.

1) The first attempt at a two-state solution, was the “United Nations Partition Plan”.
2) The second attempt at a two-state solution was the “Oslo Accords”.


1) The first attempt at a two-state solution, was the “United Nations Partition Plan”:

Israel was Re-established in 1948 following a “United Nations Partition Plan” which had sought to set up two states, one Jewish and one Arab. However, it takes more than one party to make an agreement: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat..._Palestine

The then Palestinian Jewish Community accepted the U.N. Partition Plan, while the “Palestinian” Arab response was in 1947 to start a civil war to oppose the U.N. Partition Plan, instead take ALL the land of Israel, and to ethnically-cleanse or murder the Jews from the Jews ancestral homeland of Israel: 
https://www.historycentral.com/Israel/19...stine.html

In 1948 the Arab countries attacked the newly Re-established State of Israel with the same objectives, but the Arabs lost the war. Jordan then illegally-occupied the “West Bank”, and also illegally-occupied East Jerusalem from which the Jordanians expelled the Jews:

Jordanian illegal-occupation of the “West Bank” and East Jerusalem: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_..._West_Bank
Egypt illegally-occupied the Gaza strip: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation...p_by_Egypt
Neither country offered these areas to the “Palestinian” Arabs.

“Palestinian” Arab propaganda falsely-alleges the Re-establishment of Israel caused: a “great injustice” / “nakba” (“catastrophe” / “disaster”) to the “Palestinian” Arabs.
In reality:
> The “Palestinian” Arabs violently rejected the Arab state of the United Nations Partition Plan;
> Jordan and Egypt occupied the land proposed for an Arab state under the U.N. Partition Plan (approximating to the “West Bank” and Gaza);
> BOTH Arabs and Jews, became war-refugees;
> The Palestinians falsely-claim with no evidence of any such policy that they were expelled from the land; Jews were indeed expelled by the Arabs as policy.
> “Palestinian” Arabs live and work in Israel.
Therefore the reader is entitled to be sceptical about “Palestinian” Arab propaganda alleging a fantasy-injustice.

The “Palestinian” Arabs have autonomy of two territories:
Part of Judah and Samaria (aka the “West Bank”) and the whole of Gaza.
The following is how the “Palestinian” Arabs obtained these territories: 



2) The second attempt at a two-state solution was the “Oslo Accords”:

In 1967 Israel retrieved control of Judah and Samaria (aka “West Bank”) and the Gaza Strip (from the previous Jordanian and Egyptian illegal-occupation respectively) and as an attempt by Israel at “land for peace” under the Oslo Accords, Israel later granted the “Palestinian” Arabs autonomy for part of Judah and Samaria (aka “West Bank”) (40%), and the whole of the Gaza Strip (an autonomy which had anticipated a peace treaty).

All the “Palestinian” Arabs had to do under the Oslo Accords to have further areas of the “West Bank” transferred to their Autonomy, was simply to refrain from hostile acts (Article XV):
Source: Choose the “Oslo II Agreement” link on the following webpage: 
http://www.acpr.org.il/English/documents-e.htm

Under the Oslo Accords Area C remains under Israeli control because the “Palestinian” Arabs breached the terms of the Accords, by failing to: 

Quote:    “[...] prevent acts of terrorism crime and hostilities [...]” (Article XV).


This is clear because:
i) The Palestinian Authority aka Fatah lost control of Gaza to Hamas, which fires numerous barrages of rockets fired at Israeli cities - Look up Wikipedia on “Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel”.
ii) The “Palestinian Authority” aka Fatah (funded by the “European Union”) and the “Palestinian Liberation Organization” pay a reward-“pension” for the murder of Israeli Jewish civilians including children (see further below).

Once the “Palestinian” Arabs had tricked Israel into giving them autonomy of part of the Judah and Samaria (aka “West Bank”) (40%), and the whole of Gaza under the Oslo Accords, the Palestinians since:
Do not sincerely negotiate a peace treaty, falsely-claim ALL of Israel, and attack Israeli Jewish civilians as policy (see below).
No wonder anti-Semites display such emotional-support for the “Palestinian” Arabs !

The “Palestinian” Arabs are paid a reward-“pension” to murder Israeli Jewish civilians, including children (while being funded by the “European Union”): 


Quote:“The Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund is a fund operated by the Palestinian Authority (PA) which pays monthly cash stipends to the families of Palestinians killed, injured, or imprisoned while carrying out politically motivated violence against Israel. [...]”

Extract source: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinia...rtyrs_Fund


An argument is purported that giving the “Palestinian” Arabs a sovereign state will lead to peace; that to achieve peace there is no alternative to this.
Consider: When the “Palestinian” Arabs obtained autonomy under the Oslo Accords - what did they do?.
October 7, 2023 they launched a Hamas-led attack, committing a massacre, barbarous acts, with the intention as is their policy, to commit genocide against the Jewish people and destroy Israel. Further a survey found that:


Quote:“[...] 63.6% of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip supported the attack to some extent [...]”:
ILTV report on results from:
“Public Opinion Polls [of the October 7, 2023 attack] by the “Arab World for Research and Development”, November 14, 2023: 
https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls...esults.pdf


Can from the foregoing we really logically and sanely-conclude that peace can result from upgrading “Palestinian” Arab autonomy, to statehood?

The international-entities promoting the “two-state” solution are those who do not have Israel’s security or welfare at heart. Take for example the United States where President Biden’s administration (while a good friend to Israel in other respects) is currently promoting statehood for the “Palestinian” Arabs aka a “two-state” solution, a policy which will assist the “Palestinian” Arabs to destroy Israel:
President Biden is running for re-election, his party the Democratic Party is pressuring him to pursue policies that will protect Hamas.
The Democratic Party does not recognise the land of Israel as the ancestral-homeland of the Jewish people, and does not require verification of the “Palestinian” Arab alleged-claims to the land of Israel.

The Jews are the indigenous people of the land of Israel:
The “Palestinian” Arabs falsely-allege Israeli Jews all came from Europe. Some Jews are returnee-exiles, since the Jewish people have Judah heritage (“Jew”=citizen of “Judah” - Judaism is both an ethnicity as well as a religion). Yet the Jewish people are indigenous to their ancestral homeland of Israel, with unbroken presence there from Biblical times: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi...e_(region)

The Jewish people have had an unbroken presence in their ancestral homeland of Israel since Biblical times, and also previous sovereign states in the land. For example the post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom which included the “West Bank”, Gaza, and Golan Heights, with its capital of (what is now referred to as “East”) Jerusalem / “Old City”; between 110 BCE / 754 BH and 63 BCE / 706 BH - Map: 
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...ingdom.jpg

By comparison there has never been an indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel upon which the “Palestinian” Arabs could base any claim to any part of Israel.

Before the British Mandate, the prior Ottoman Turkish empire did not use any such political name as “Palestine”, but rather Ottoman-occupied Judah / Israel was within the Ottoman province of “Syria”: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Syria

JEWISH citizens of the British Mandate were Palestinian: Irrespective of race or religion citizens of the British Mandate became: “Palestinian”.
Extracts from British “Government of Palestine” passports,
from which it can be seen that JEWISH citizens of the Mandate were “Palestinian”: 
https://www.mediafire.com/file/p6hjhurn7...s.pdf/file

The Media of the time referred to Mandate inhabitants, as:
“Palestinian Arabs”, / “Palestinian Jews”, or as: “Arabs” / “Jews”.

The “Palestinian Arabs” dropped the name “Arab” so you should not understand they mostly originate from Foreign-Arab-Migrant-Workers who came to the land of Israel just prior to, and during the British Mandate, to take advantage of higher wages through Jewish returnee-exiles:
“Arab Immigration to Historic Palestine: A Survey”, by Richard Mather: 
https://richardmatherblog.wordpress.com/2015/05/

The “Palestinian” Arabs having considered themselves to be Arab only, this is why they were opposed to being called a “People” until the 1960’s, when they decided it fitted with their intention to steal the land of Israel from its indigenous Jews: 
http://www.targetofopportunity.com/pales..._truth.htm


Conclusion:
Not only is there no objective-historical evidence supporting any claim by the "Palestinian" Arabs over any part of the land of Israel, but we have seen from Fatah terrorism, and from the Hamas October 7, 2023 attack and massacre, and from the support which that attack attracted from "Palestinian" Arab civilians, that there is zero to be gained from the point of view of peace from any two-state solution who, in any event, want the whole of Israel, not any such two-state solution.

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  Gigantanthropus
Posted by: Blue Bird - 01-12-2024, 02:43 PM - Forum: Hangout - No Replies

Are the Gigantanthropuses perhaps the bibical giants? They only found teeth, so he could also look like a human. Wikipedia mentions:

South African palaeontologist Robert Broom hypothesised that it was closely allied with Australopithecus and the last common ancestor of humans and other apes.[11] In 1946, Jewish German anthropologist Franz Weidenreich described Gigantopithecus as a human ancestor as "Gigantanthropus", believing that the human lineage went through a gigantic phase. He stated that the teeth are more similar to those of modern humans and Homo erectus (at the time "Pithecanthropus" for early Javan specimens), and envisioned a lineage from Gigantopithecus, to the Javan ape Meganthropus (then considered a human ancestor), to "Pithecanthropus", to "Javanthropus", and finally Aboriginal Australians. This was part of his multiregional hypothesis, that all modern races and ethnicities evolved independently from a local archaic human species

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  The result of the Current war,,,
Posted by: COmentator - 12-31-2023, 06:34 PM - Forum: Israel - Replies (1)

Hamas will eventually be defeated...It is political end of Benjamin Netanyahu
Israel is the only democratic country in the middle East..but to govern the country is political chaos...
But who will succed him?
I have no idea..........

https://www.theatlantic.com/internationa...re/675722/

Dont forget the PLO WANTS NO JEWS IN ITS STATE
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE96T009/

Nor do thier backers Iran and the majority of the Arab World
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-ea...l-solution

This is the only "Peace" the Arab World Wants
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Victory.png

The L--d will Judge  Ishamel (Arabs) and Esau {Europeans} for their actions,,,
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:...Hitler.jpg
https://www.israel365news.com/381566/the...-solution/

South Africa joining the ranks of pro PLO supporters against Israel
https://ictnews.org/outside/israel-says-...ccusations
and Italy as well  ...blaming Israel for killing the PLo in "Chrisitan compounds"  when in fact Hamas is at war with Chrisitans as well...
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-eas...023-12-18/

Sigh How many more Hate Israel COuntries will hyprcrically drag  Israel before the so called Bar of Justice?

There is a saying the more things seem to change the more they stay  the same.....
https://www.israel365news.com/382640/tor...torah-war/

easu and haman descendents still continuing their 111 year war against Israel
https://www.israel365news.com/382656/ham...for-10000/
https://www.israel365news.com/382514/two...-by-hamas/
https://www.israel365news.com/382542/ham...ges-get-1/
https://www.israel365news.com/382518/ham...ry-points/

Netenhanyu has made BAD MISTAKE trying to conscript jewish scholars..........
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-histori..._content=8
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-o...scription/

Falling into the Sin of Asa {Wikipedia]
Asa by his feet[22] but "in the time of his old age he was diseased in his feet" (I Kings 15:23) (perhaps with gout). The reason given for Asa's condition was that, when enlisting the whole of Judah in war he "exempted none" (I Kings 15:22), but forced Torah scholars—and even newly married husbands, whom the Law (Deut. 20:7) exempts—to march along.[23]

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  Ishtar 1987 movie..
Posted by: COmentator - 12-31-2023, 05:59 PM - Forum: Hangout - No Replies

the concept simple two no talent  aspring songwriters try to became the next "Simon and Gatfunkel" unfortunely they so bad the place they get get a booking  is Morooco; now if it had been made in the style of Bob Hope and Bing Crosby movies; had not gone overbudget and if the audience could at least follow the movie theme...it would prehaps done a little better at the box office Angel

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  Pressure to assissilate
Posted by: COmentator - 12-21-2023, 12:51 PM - Forum: Judaism General - Replies (2)

Even in TV Programs  Sing a song of pressure to assissilate into a non Jewish way of life is there:
*The Jazz Singer; He faces a difficult decisiion  as to stay within Jewish faith or bercome a professional Jazz singer. {he chooses Singing}
*Archie Bunker place: Archie Bunker Business Jewish partner weather he should marry a Shiska or not because it would displease his mother; the mother dies and he marries out of faith
*The waltons One of Waltons son has just finished  tour of Duty in europe-he falls in love with an assimmlated Jewish girl; she deceided tomarry him 
*A similar Case was in the Comedy  Bridget Loves bernie: Working class Jewish Cab driver falls in love with Irish roman Catholic lace curtian upper class girl ;their two families are in conflict as to how the children should in raised in which religion. Ironically the persons who agree on most things are Bernie Jewish Uncle and Bridget brother (A Catholic Priest)  OF course the series was canceled ...but the question is never answered for the children religions training: Bris vs Baptism; Bar Mizpath vs Confirmation; Hannak vs Christmas  which will they choose?

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